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RIP Brian Epstein
28 August 2013
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Ron Nasty
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mccartneyalarm said
Would Brian have agreed to include Yoko and her recordings with John's?

Had the situation occurred there is no doubt that John's releases would have been as he wanted them. As I said above, John was always clear with Brian that the music was none of his concern.

Perhaps the more interesting question in this regard is whether John would have got together with Yoko had Brian not died when he did. I sometimes wonder how much of John's problems over the year following Brian's death were the result of the loss of someone else who was so close to him, and how differently things might have played out for John had Brian lived. I don't doubt the divorce with Cynthia was on the way, but whether the co-dependency he formed with Yoko would have happened is altogether more intriguing.

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28 August 2013
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Brian treated everyone with respect and would have done so with Yoko. There would have been a mutual respect between the two.  However, I don't think they would have been best friends. I have nothing against Yoko, I think she has been treated incredibly unfairly over the years and there is a lot more to her than people realise. However, she could be quite controlling over John when she wanted to be and I do think she was a wedge between John and Paul. She obviously somewhat resented their bond and closeness and told Philip Norman that she believed John had a sexual attraction to Paul! Paul probably felt the same about Yoko, jealous that she had taken his best friend away. Sorry, I'm straying off topic!

It's all so incredibly sad as we'll just never know what would have happened. But my gut instinct is that things wouldn't have ended as messily had Brian lived.

 

28 August 2013
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RIP Brian!

It's certainly interesting to think about what would've been different, hadn't he died. Magical Mystery Tour (the film, don't know about the album) probably wouldn't have happened for example. 

I don't know about them breaking up though. I think it would've happened anyway. Maybe not then, maybe a few years later, but they would've split up eventually.

28 August 2013
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Linde said
RIP Brian!

It's certainly interesting to think about what would've been different, hadn't he died. Magical Mystery Tour (the film, don't know about the album) probably wouldn't have happened for example. 

I don't know about them breaking up though. I think it would've happened anyway. Maybe not then, maybe a few years later, but they would've split up eventually.

Very true points. I don't think Brian would have let the Magical Mystery Tour film happen the way it did. Paul has said that he sort of took over with that, they were in total shock and didn't really know what to do and the haphazard nature of the film shows that. Brian would have got in a proper director and who knows how it would have turned out!

I agree they would have split eventually. They were all going in such different directions both musically and in their personal lives. It might have ended more amicably though. Or who knows, it might even have been worse!

 

 

28 August 2013
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MMT would have happened but not as haphazard, unorganised, and disjointed as it was. Brian was the organiser and would have known who to contact to get the right people in instead of the Paul opening an artists phonebook and getting anyone who looked the part.

As for the split, yes eventually it would have happened but, as said above, not as acrimonious and unpleasant as it was. Apple wouldn't have been such a mess for a start, which caused so many problems.

The biggest tribute given to Brian was that he was one of them (the Beatles), I think it was John who said that. Not many people got inside their inner group, Brian was one, and despite everything he was a very good friend of theirs. His death left a huge gap which was never filled.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
29 August 2013
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I hadn't thought of the Yoko-Brian what-if, that's a good one. While I think Brian would have been respectful to Yoko, I think he also would have been protective of the rest of the boys and would have clashed with her and John about her sitting in the studio sessions. I wonder how he would have approached that. "Diplomatically," of course, but what compromise could he have reached when John was digging in his heels?

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29 August 2013
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I'm sure he wouldn't have approved of Yoko constantly being in the studio, but I don't really know what he could've done. It's not like John could be told what to do or bossed about in any way, though I think if anyone could, then it was Brian. I'm not sure that Brian would've challenged him too much, though, especially not if he threatened to walk out and leave the group.

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29 August 2013
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For me Brian would have tolerated and been polite but not too impressed with Yoko and her presence in the studio. He would also have probably tried to have a nice polite word with John about what he was doing, tho it probably wouldn't have went down very well and ended up with his addition to the list of those John and Yoko thought were against their being together.

However this is all based on a time variation and who knows what would have happened if Brian hadn't died, maybe John would have remained in his Tudor mansion boredom. Change something as huge as a death in life and so much else alters immediately.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
30 August 2013
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One thing's for sure…Brian would have been very jealous of John's relationship with Yoko. I'm pretty sure he'd have been very jealous of John's relationship with Stu Sutcliffe as well.

"And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make."

30 August 2013
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I don't know how you can be so sure about those things! Did Brian ever evince any jealousy of Cynthia?

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30 August 2013
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Well, Brian was known to have been dismayed by John's marriage to Cynthia. Even if we take that as a business thing, the timing of the Spanish holiday – whatever may or may not have happened on it – was very strange, taking John away from Cynthia and his new son twenty days after Julian's birth, during the first schedule break when John could have spent some proper time with them.

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30 August 2013
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Brian really wanted to be close to John (and I'm not speaking sexually here, even though that, too, may have been the case). The fact that John was so very close to Stu and felt about Stu the way Brian wished John would feel about him; and the fact that John was so extremely close to Yoko would have caused some jealousy on Brian's part. Perhaps the better word would be "envious."

"And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make."

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