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Well, most beatles bios somehow touch the subject. Philip Norman in John Lennon is quite explicit about their relationship, especially the one between Paul and John. You should take it with a grain of salt, though, since Philip is known for his tendency to mock Paul. Many Years from now ( authorized Paul version) also deals with the relationship of John and Paul. I don't know why, but it seems that Ringo/George, John/George etc. gets less attention than the writer pair. I would be interested too to hear too if there are some unbiased books on this subject

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Paul stuck in 1965 with his view of George till at least 1969. After Abbey Road, I think he changed his mind. All Things Must Pass obviously made Paul realise how good his songs that they rejected were.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

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Dipsy said
I've read/watched an interview in which John stated that he and Paul were never as close as they liked the public to believe: it only seemed to be good for the overall image of The Beatles if the two main songwriters appeared to be best friends. In a way, I can believe it, considering that they always credited their original compositions to "Lennon-McCartney" well after they stopped writing as a team; then again, I find it hard to believe, considering this interview probably took place shortly after the band's break-up and John was most likely speaking irrationally of Paul due to current animosity. In the same interview, he said that he and Ringo almost always shared a room--I suppose it may have just been to defend his rash statement, but it may have also been for the reasons Mustard listed.

ahdn_george_05 Their relationship kind of puzzles me... Of course the kind of playfulness between them you can see in the early interviews is most likely fake, but John went and declared that they were hardly friends at all? You are probably right that it's morely likely to do with the Beatles breakup than actual opinion of John's. I'm sure a lot of us remember that one quote from John, "I've had two companions in my life, Paul and Yoko. That's not bad". And Yoko must be the only person that John never denied the importance in his life. ( Elvises come and go, but Yokos stay (my own quote)).

A kind of curiosity for me is that both members of the "Lennon-McCartney" partnership periodically claimed that theirs existence was more important to the other one than they thought of the other one to be to themselvesa-hard-days-night-john-6

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minime said 
ahdn_george_05 Their relationship kind of puzzles me... Of course the kind of playfulness between them you can see in the early interviews is most likely fake, but John went and declared that they were hardly friends at all?

Well...he never said that they were hardly friends, but he did make a statement that they weren't as close as the public supposed them to be. That being said, your claim that a lot of the playfulness shared between the two in interviews was likely artificial is probably true--to an extent, anyway. Like Mustard said earlier:

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Everything John said you have to apply to the time period when he was speaking, he changed his opinion of everything depending on where he was in life, like most do.

I do believe John and Paul shared a special bond at some point during their relationship, but I'm not so sure it lasted as a strong one.

minime said 
A kind of curiosity for me is that both members of the "Lennon-McCartney" partnership periodically claimed that theirs existence was more important to the other one than they thought of the other one to be to themselvesa-hard-days-night-john-6

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Although interesting to note, that's just plain arrogance on their part; what they should have realized is how equally important they were to one another on terms of songwriting. The Beatles just wouldn't be the same if one hadn't found the other...

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Ben Ramon said

Dipsy said
I've read/watched an interview in which John stated that he and Paul were never as close as they liked the public to believe: it only seemed to be good for the overall image of The Beatles if the two main songwriters appeared to be best friends.

If this comment was made any time between 1968 and 1973 then I don't believe a word of it. In the late '70s, when given a questionnaire by a fan which required John to write the first thing that popped into his head relating to a certain word or phrase, John's immediate answer to "Paul McCartney" was "extraordinary." I think they felt a powerful kinship due to the deaths of their mothers, and although their relationship was a competitive one it was clear they were great friends during the good times.

Definately. The deaths of Julia and Mary at such a young age for John and Paul respectively helped them develop an incredibly strong bond. Despite everything that went on in the late 60's and early 70's there was still something there that threatened Yoko and caused problems between her and Paul. I think they are now on pleasantries with each other, the odd cup of tea, but nothing more than that.

Any idea that there was a lack of closeness between John and Paul is blown away whenever you see Paul sing Here Today in concert.

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meanmistermustard said

Ben Ramon said

Dipsy said

I've read/watched an interview in which John stated that he and Paul were never as close as they liked the public to believe: it only seemed to be good for the overall image of The Beatles if the two main songwriters appeared to be best friends.

If this comment was made any time between 1968 and 1973 then I don't believe a word of it. In the late '70s, when given a questionnaire by a fan which required John to write the first thing that popped into his head relating to a certain word or phrase, John's immediate answer to "Paul McCartney" was "extraordinary." I think they felt a powerful kinship due to the deaths of their mothers, and although their relationship was a competitive one it was clear they were great friends during the good times.

Definately. The deaths of Julia and Mary at such a young age for John and Paul respectively helped them develop an incredibly strong bond. Despite everything that went on in the late 60's and early 70's there was still something there that threatened Yoko and caused problems between her and Paul.

Indeed. It's been suggested that she engineered Paul's infamous 1980 grass bust because she felt threatened by the possibility of them bonding once again. I know it's a far fetched conspiracy, but I think there's some truth in Yoko's fear of how powerful the public reaction would be if the titanic Lennon/McCartney force began recording again.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Its also been said (by Jack Douglas) that Yoko blocked Pauls call getting thru to John during the Double Fantasy sessions - John never got wind of it.

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I thought this was very funny, particularly the little introductory theme Paul composes for himself at 0:08, very accurate parody of his voice and style.

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