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16 July 2013
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Its ridiculous to apportion any blame on Johns murder on Yoko.  The only blame lies with the guy who shot John. For all we know if John had stayed in London Chapman would have still come over and shot John for another reason.

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16 July 2013
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There is no blame on Yoko. It's kind of like a domino effect, one thing leads to another thing which leads to another. Yoko was from New York. Isn't that one of the reasons they moved there? But I guess Marky could have traveled to London just the same. 

And mmm, did you just name that guy who shouldn't be named?!a-hard-days-night-ringo-6

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16 July 2013
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I have taken the same vow that Paul and Yoko have taken...never to mention the name of the man who killed our John. Actually, i try to take that one step further and not mention the names of other "infamous" murderers (since it is what they want), but it goes double for the man (I use that term loosely) who shot John.

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16 July 2013
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I have no real stance on the guy being named however If it would make folks here happier then I will adopt a non-naming stance. I get that the tosser wants to be famous and get loads of attention and by mentioning him I might be doing that but by even mentioning Johns murder (John didn't die he was killed - major difference) we feed his original sick deluded intention. His place is history is never going to be written out sadly. Folk might disagree with me but the best thing to do would be stick the guy in a hole and fill it in.

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17 July 2013
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I couldn't agree more. The only problem then, though, is that you face the question (that I think popped up here a while ago) of when do you decide to just kill murderers? Do you just kill all of them? Where do you draw the line?

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18 July 2013
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Yeah the whole capital punishment thing is a very difficult line to walk along without falling off and condemning an innocent man to death, there is no say yet where its possible to reverse the whole dead stance of life. For that reason im not in favour of it and would vote against if asked. (Note: I am not for a second suggesting that Johns killer is innocent and nothing less than a total scumbug (not scumbag as that would be too soft a description for such a ~&^% (fit in your own word for that)).

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18 July 2013
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Here's a question...how do you think John Lennon would feel about capital pnishment and the "man" who murdered him?

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18 July 2013
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That's a very big question that I've never thought about before. And I have absolutely no idea how to answer now I do think about it. Who (apart from those who knew him well and personally) would be able to know that?

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18 July 2013
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He's probably accepting of it, I mean, there really isn't anything he could do about it anyways, since he's dead. 

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18 July 2013
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The person who asked the question said ''would do'', as in, if he were here.

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18 July 2013
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He cant feel anything about the guy who killed him because the guy who killed him killed him. I really don't get this question? How would someone dead feel about the person(s) who killed them, well they cant.

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19 July 2013
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I suppose the question doesn't make much sense, now I think about it. A better way to put it would be simply ''how do you think John would feel about capital punishment?'' (relative to him or not)

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19 July 2013
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The question was meant to be rhetorical since John is obviously dead. To answer it, I think we need to look at who he was and what he believed by looking at his music and his interviews, etc. Just looking at the way he opposed the war in VietNam and violence in general, I believe John may be (if he were alive) anti-capital punishment. He was searching for "religion"...something to believe in...till the day he died. I don't know if he bought into the idea of forgiveness or not. He was clearly self-absorbed (my opinion)...but he also believed he was going to die young. Maybe he just would have accepted the fact that the man who did it just made it happen since that was karma or something?

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20 July 2013
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Okay, here's a way to make the question more realistic.  Let's say that in 1980, instead of shooting John dead, Chapman had shot Yoko dead.

Would the surviving John have been for or against punishing Chapman?  And what punishment would John have thought just?

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20 July 2013
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But I think in that situation any thoughts or opinion against capital punishment you may have had before might change as, unsuprisingly, you're going to be biased. If you lose someone you love like that, you're gonna forget everything you've said because you're angry you've lost them IMO.

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20 July 2013
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fabfouremily said
If you lose someone you love like that, you're gonna forget everything you've said because you're angry you've lost them IMO.

No, I can say from personal experience this isn't the case. And I'm very much against capital punishment.

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20 July 2013
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^^ Okay, well, in my experience, my family did - at least slightly.

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20 July 2013
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^^ I'm sorry you and your family also experienced such a loss.

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20 July 2013
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A lot of families after losing someone have stated they will try and forgive as holding onto the hurt and bitterness will only tear them apart. It must be incredibly difficult tho. Thankfully i've never been in that position and never want to be, its too easy for me to sit here typing i'd do this or that, I don't have a clue. Each person handles it differently, even differently to how I, you, we or loved ones might think they would based on everything they have said, believed in and lived by for their entire lives.

 

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20 July 2013
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parlance said
^^ I'm sorry you and your family also experienced such a loss.

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Likewise if it happened to you and yours apple01

 

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