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Question for the young Beatles fans here
9 January 2014
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Blackbird Fly
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Well, with this 'hipster' movement going on a lot of people claim they are Beatles fans. But they are the girls and guys who wear a band t-shirt and they can only name one member and only the popular songs. They don't know anything about them but since other people know how amazing they are they say they're fans.

I agree with the smoking cigarettes, because now a days we understand how dangerous they are. 

And interms of wearing suites, I love that they wore suits in those days but if they were a modern band and all wearing matching suits or clothes it'd be a little weird (it'd seem very manufactured and fake). Also, the leather pants and all look really good for back then, but if guys were walking around in leather pants and jackets and cowboy boots now a days they'd look a little strange.

Don't get me wrong, it was cute in those days, but how they wrote really sappy love notes to (i.e. John's first Christmas card to Cyn) their significant others especially because they were cheating on most of them. I mean a little note or something is nice but when it's covered in kisses and stuff it starts getting weird. 

The hard drug taking and how John treated his family is not 'cool' at all in my opinion. The cheating was a bit excessive but I understand it'd be really hard not to. 

 

9 January 2014
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^^  No offence intended, but you seem to find a lot of things weird.

There are bands, perhaps not world-famous but even so, that wear suits now. It doesn't make them look strange IMO, just hmm, I dunno, original? Most boybands today wear scruffy kind of clothes, so the fact that they're not dressing in the same way makes them different to the rest. That, in my mind, is already a positive point. Sheep are cute, but they have no mind of their own.

As for the thing about love notes and such, I don't think it'd be weird in the present day world. In fact, I know plenty of people who have very pubicly and very passionately displayed their love for another human being. It may be a bit much or OTT, but it's nice. I'd rather see that than two people beating the hell out of each other.

Hmmm... 'hard not to cheat'. I disagree with you here. If you've decided to marry someone, it's because you love them and only them. So don't cheat, especially not time and time again. I could make a pathetic attempt to excuse John by saying that he only married Cyn because she was up the duff, but I don't think that's true. I very much get the impression that John adored her at the start. That changed, it seems.

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9 January 2014
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i'm 22, and i agree, the beatles are hipster-cool, not gangster-cool (but i'm kind of a hipster, so that works for me a-hard-days-night-george-10

hm... uncool... probably that they all became very family-focused at some point. not that families are a bad thing, but it's just not what you would consider as extremely "cool". and what's definitely uncool is paul's haircut in the 80s! such a pretty face... and then this hair... :D but that's what the 80s are famous for, bad haircuts, so we can't blame paul...

10 January 2014
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Thanks to the two relative newbies, Blackbird Fly and jenny wren, for reviving one of my older topics!

To Blackbird Fly, you may be kind of pigeonholing the Beatles frozen in time during their early phase.  One of the unique things about the Beatles is how amazingly they changed throughout the years in a variety of ways.

To jenny wren, your response also made me think of the phenomenon or question, How does a young person now, at time X (2014), assess the "coolness" of a band and its musicians whose existence spans many decades, reaching back into what must seem like the distant past of history?

I mean, it's one thing to just look at a band or person now, who is a "thing" now, and is hot now: one regards them as a kind of static entity.  But because the Beatles have a long span of time that is part of their nature, so to speak, and because that long span is a flame kept alive by one of them still (Paul, and to some extent Ringo), the young person is challenged to think outside the Box of Cool, whose Dogma dictates that cool has to be, as Paul's album has it, New.

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11 January 2014
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hm, i think that "cool has to be new" changed a little bit, especially with the hipster-"movement", if you want to call it that way. looking back into the past, and especially into the 50s and 60s is a big thing in that youth culture. you know, listening to disc records instead of the mp3-files, wearing clothes your grandparents would have worn in their youth (but more expensive nowadays a-hard-days-night-george-10), writing with a typewriter... so basically, the beatles fit in quite well...

 

but i can tell you how i personally "found" the beatles. i knew they were considered the best band ever, but i only knew the absolute basics (you know, "let it be", "yesterday" and some of the older rock'n'roll stuff). i liked these songs, but i thought: well, there must be more behind the best band ever. and right i was. i just looked for a whole album fully uploadet on youtube, which luckily was "the White Album", and listened to it. and this total madness of it was extremely surprising and cool. you know, a little bit of everything, and everything's kind of surprising and cool. so i started to listen to more and more albums and here is where i ended a-hard-days-night-george-10

so, what's cool about the beatles? the music, basically.

11 January 2014
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SatanHimself said

LikeASir said
Do you ever feel like a hipster about The Beatles in the way that you just want it to be between a few people, not the whole world? It sounds crazy, but I really hate it when Beatles songs go into the mainstream by people who don't actually listen to them or like them. It feels like there needs only to be a select few who can listen and appreciate them.

I know exactly what you mean.  [SNIP]

I feel like the Beatles have to be earned, which is why I'd rather their audience be a smaller group of critical thinkers.

Well, I think THAT boat sailed in 1963 :)

17 January 2014
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I think the Beatles are totally "cool", fab, swell, and all that... Their style (Arthur), humour, wit, personalities... The things that bother me are their drug usage and infidelity, which isn't the issue my peers have with them. I think the reason they are less popular is mainly due to conformity; if all your friends like Imagine Dragons or One Direction or more naff, then I guess the overwhelming instinct is to fall into those fandoms. Also a contributing factor I think is the looklook and demeanour... teens are liking these stars that exude self confidence and wear the shades and bring the attitude to the press... Not the ingenuity of the music that much... If it has a catchy danceable tune they like it, as long as the artist is attractive and contemporary. Of course this is just based on my friends in high school here in Cardiff.

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17 January 2014
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YouKnowMyName said
I think the Beatles are totally "cool", fab, swell, and all that... Their style (Arthur), humour, wit, personalities... The things that bother me are their drug usage and infidelity, which isn't the issue my peers have with them. I think the reason they are less popular is mainly due to conformity; if all your friends like Imagine Dragons or One Direction or more naff, then I guess the overwhelming instinct is to fall into those fandoms. Also a contributing factor I think is the looklook and demeanour... teens are liking these stars that exude self confidence and wear the shades and bring the attitude to the press... Not the ingenuity of the music that much... If it has a catchy danceable tune they like it, as long as the artist is attractive and contemporary. Of course this is just based on my friends in high school here in Cardiff.

Glad you've seen the light. a-hard-days-night-john-3 I'm a fairly new fan myself, but I would say from what I know that the Beatles exuded plenty of self-confidence. Do you think they did? Perhaps others of you have a thought or two on this topic? Perhaps that could be a point you could make with your friends you are trying to shine the light on.

 

17 January 2014
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Ahhh Girl said

YouKnowMyName said
I think the Beatles are totally "cool", fab, swell, and all that... Their style (Arthur), humour, wit, personalities... The things that bother me are their drug usage and infidelity, which isn't the issue my peers have with them. I think the reason they are less popular is mainly due to conformity; if all your friends like Imagine Dragons or One Direction or more naff, then I guess the overwhelming instinct is to fall into those fandoms. Also a contributing factor I think is the looklook and demeanour... teens are liking these stars that exude self confidence and wear the shades and bring the attitude to the press... Not the ingenuity of the music that much... If it has a catchy danceable tune they like it, as long as the artist is attractive and contemporary. Of course this is just based on my friends in high school here in Cardiff.

Glad you've seen the light. a-hard-days-night-john-3 I'm a fairly new fan myself, but I would say from what I know that the Beatles exuded plenty of self-confidence. Do you think they did? Perhaps others of you have a thought or two on this topic? Perhaps that could be a point you could make with your friends you are trying to shine the light on.

 

Yes I agree entirely. What I mean is is confidence in an almost egotistical way, like Miley Cyrus. Basically what it comes down to I think is that the two remaining members are old and comparatively laid back. It would be nice if my friends gave their music a chance instead of thinking "oh they're old and grey now, therefore uncool". My opinion of the matter is that I don't think the music industry today is anywhere near as good as when the fab four were writing songs, and my generation is blind to it.

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26 January 2014
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Funny Paper said

Is there anything about the Beatles and each individual member -- John, Paul, George, Ringo -- their look, their music, their behavior -- that seems just a little "uncool" to your young sensibility?

Don't worry if your answer is "yes".  It doesn't mean you don't love the Beatles.  But what I'm trying to get at in this question is whether there is any effect of the vast time gap between the 60s and like 40 years later on new generations of kids.  We know that the cultural phenomenon of "cool" changes like the wind with every generation, and the obsolescence rate in this regard is often merciless.

What young sensibility? :P  I'm twenty-one, but I have little idea of what's considered "cool" among people my age, and I don't really care enough to find out.

Short answer: no.  This is a pretty tired cliche, but The Beatles were ahead of their time musically.  Even in bad music made today, their influence can be heard.  As far as look and behavior, I suppose not.  It hasn't really stood out to me.

Personally, I have rather diverse musical tastes.  I've said this elsewhere on the forum, but I'm of the belief that music should be judged by it's content and quality, and that if music is good, it shouldn't matter if it was made in 1936 or in 2014.

Maybe I'm just an unusual case because I don't know or care what's cool.

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26 January 2014
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Maybe I'm just an unusual case because I don't know or care what's cool.

I suppose you're ''unusual'' when compared to the large majority of other under, say, 25 y/o's, but I find that if you're interested in an ''older'' band, then you're less likely to care about what's considered cool in 2014. Just take any of the other young people here and it proves my point.

I think that whether something is seen as cool is not actually much to do with the quality of their music, but more to do with their image (which is usually down to their manager's anyway). I suppose I'm stating the obvious there, but I still find it slightly annoying and/or interesting that it's that way.

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26 January 2014
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In Phil Everly's obituary, he was quoted as having said that when the Beatles came around, it seemed that nothing that came before seemed to matter any more, and he was completely right. 

I suppose that with each generation it's a clean slate.

Already in the late 70s when the disco era came around, kids growing up around that genre had no interest in the 'listening' music of the 60s and 70s with its great melodies, lyrics, guitar solos etc....

Only those will real musical inclinations occasionally look back in time - the others just go with the flavor of the day.

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26 January 2014
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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
In Phil Everly's obituary, he was quoted as having said that when the Beatles came around, it seemed that nothing that came before seemed to matter any more, and he was completely right. 

I suppose that with each generation it's a clean slate.

Already in the late 70s when the disco era came around, kids growing up around that genre had no interest in the 'listening' music of the 60s and 70s with its great melodies, lyrics, guitar solos etc....

Only those will real musical inclinations occasionally look back in time - the others just go with the flavor of the day.

And the disco era produced utter utter crap so we should learn from its mistakes.

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26 January 2014
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fabfouremily said
^^  No offence intended, but you seem to find a lot of things weird.

There are bands, perhaps not world-famous but even so, that wear suits now. It doesn't make them look strange IMO, just hmm, I dunno, original? Most boybands today wear scruffy kind of clothes, so the fact that they're not dressing in the same way makes them different to the rest. That, in my mind, is already a positive point. Sheep are cute, but they have no mind of their own.

As for the thing about love notes and such, I don't think it'd be weird in the present day world. In fact, I know plenty of people who have very pubicly and very passionately displayed their love for another human being. It may be a bit much or OTT, but it's nice. I'd rather see that than two people beating the hell out of each other.

Hmmm... 'hard not to cheat'. I disagree with you here. If you've decided to marry someone, it's because you love them and only them. So don't cheat, especially not time and time again. I could make a pathetic attempt to excuse John by saying that he only married Cyn because she was up the duff, but I don't think that's true. I very much get the impression that John adored her at the start. That changed, it seems.

Haha. I guess I do find a lot of stuff weird. And I agree with you on the love notes. I think it's a personal preference on that sort of stuff, it also has to do with how long or close you are with your significant other to where you are comfortable with it. 

With the cheating, I agree that it is under no circumstances okay to cheat. I was just pointing out that they had girls throwing themselves at them and were, for lack of a better word, horny; so I could see how hard it would be to resist. And I agree with John loving Cyn. There are numerous sources, including John's half-sister, saying that John wanted to marry Cyn even before she became pregnant.

26 January 2014
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fabfouremily said
Maybe I'm just an unusual case because I don't know or care what's cool.

I suppose you're ''unusual'' when compared to the large majority of other under, say, 25 y/o's, but I find that if you're interested in an ''older'' band, then you're less likely to care about what's considered cool in 2014. Just take any of the other young people here and it proves my point.

I think that whether something is seen as cool is not actually much to do with the quality of their music, but more to do with their image (which is usually down to their manager's anyway). I suppose I'm stating the obvious there, but I still find it slightly annoying and/or interesting that it's that way.

 

I agree with this. I hate that ''music'' is all about image now. I believe it was Geoff Emerick who had a great quote about that? ''People should learn to listen with their ears, not their eyes'' or something along those lines anyway. And I agree with that. I don't give a hoot about what a band look like, as long as they make decent music. Music should be about music. And nothing else. Of course, a nice personality (or image to the outside world) and good looks are nice, but in the end all that matters is the music. 

I'm probably ''unusual'' too. I don't have a clue about what's in the top40 right now and I don't really give a damn about it either. 

 

27 January 2014
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"Fascination with Beatles continues to grow long after the Fab Four's infamous breakup"

Mark Lapidos expects 8,000 fans to pack the Fest — among them, many teenagers.

“The music has successfully been passed to the next generation and the generation after that,” the 66-year-old Bronx native said. “Young people hear the music and that’s it — they’re hooked.”

While the songs are the heart of the Beatles’ allure, the group’s mantra of peace and love pulse with a youth-friendly message. “‘All You Need Is Love’ — when will that never not be cool?” Dashow asked.

x-posted to the generation gap good or bad thread and the getting your kids into the Beatles thread

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