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Paul Vs. John
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So, after listening to a lot of Paul McCartney, I think I am starting to enjoy Paul's post-Beatles output more than John's. But I think I prefer John's Beatles output.

What do you think about Beatles ouptut?

Whose Beatles output was better?

  • John(50% : 6 votes)
  • Paul(50% : 6 votes)
Total Voters: 12

What about post-Beatles?

Whose post-Beatles output was better?

  • John(23% : 3 votes)
  • Paul(77% : 10 votes)
Total Voters: 13
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28 April 2014
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I'm sure we have a thread covering this as i know i've posted my thoughts about Pauls catalogue v Johns. Not sure how to search to find out tho.

 

Tracked down one of my replies in this thread which also included George and Ringo's catalogues (which i've omitted as aren't part of this).

 

Consistency is the problem i have with Pauls albums. For me on most albums you get say 2/3 of the songs that are really good leaning to excellent, half of the remaining 1/3 are good and the remainder i can give or take without much fuss (i think thats 1/6 left over). Obviously there are exceptions to that, for me these would be Driving Rain, Press To PlayMemory Almost Full which are all garbage, and the previously mentioned Give My Regards To Broad Street which has only No More Lonely Nights, everything else is the absolute nadir of solo-beatle crap (should add i havent heard Chaos and Creation because of listening and detesting DR and MAF) and possibly Pipes Of Peace. (Do those maths add upa-hard-days-night-ringo-12?)

To me it appears that most of Pauls eighties output has been forgotten and is largely down to the mid-section where a lot of damage was done critically and commercially. Flowers In The Dirt helped repair some of the damage and then The Beatles Anthology helped a lot too, one example being it inspired Paul to record Flaming Pie which is one of Pauls strongest albums. It appears that Paul needs someone to bounce ideas off and be inspired by, outside the beatles he had wings where altho he was the dominant presence the other members helped as did being on tour - and its no-coincidence that without either of those his creative spark fell by the wayside.

Overall i just think a lot of critics and people come to Pauls catalogue with an already preconceived idea that his entire output is schmaltzy, sappy, cute but without depth, and generally lightweight. Which is all totally untrue.

 

As for John his first two studio albums are great and the next 4 never get above average. The songs themselves are generally good but the production for me sucks it all down to mediocre with only a handful of songs being decent the way they were released (Some Time being the exception – far too political and i dont believe John really bought into any of it). Double Fantasy/Milk And Honey (both come from the same sessions – Milk And Honey being unfinished) showed that John was rusty after being out for so long but that with time it would probably improve (tho there is no way that can be 100% sure).

And looking at that i think his music is overrated based on those 7 or 8 studio albums. For me a lot of Johns reputation is based on being viewed as the THE beatle, his amazing aura in interviews, the persona Yoko has created and 2 very strong albums and a large handful of great songs. (And before people rise up over that i love John and his music (tho not everything) just not how it was produced, the outtakes are fantasic and show just how darn good he trully was. And i hate how Yoko manages his catalogue and memory)

 

I will add that i have since heard both Chaos and Creation and Electronic Arguements which are good bordering on great yet whilst getting very positive reviews do little to alter his musical repuation of being light-weight, schmaltzy, sappy, cute but without depth, and generally lightweight.

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meanmistermustard said
@Parlance The first two links you have are leading to the start of the same thread (why is everyone suddenly bad-mouthing Paul).

 

As for the conversations turning negative it would help if folk didn't take folk saying Paul was not as good as John or vice-versa so personally and treating it as an attack on themself, that (n)either or the two Beatles can not withstand such a comment or two, and so therefore they must fight back on their behalf with all guns blazing. 

 

I probably prefer Johns Beatles work over Pauls but i hate to say so as Paul's is so damn strong plus they both contributed so much to each others. As for the solo work Paul has put out so much more than Johns which makes it easier to think its better as there is so much strong material to point to whilst with Johns as there is less its easier to say this sucks so wipes out that despite the very good being every bit as excellent as Paul's. 

 

Thanks, fixed the first. And agreed on the second point.

Edit: I just saw your third paragraph, and I meant to add earlier that one of the reasons I find the question unfair is that Paul has the benefit of time that John did not. I almost feel like the only fair way to discuss the issue is look look at their output up through 1980.

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