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Name that song...
18 May 2012
8.24am
albatrossflyer
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Hello all,

 

I've got a real stumper for y'all. In their movie "A Hard Days Night," in that first scene on the train, Ringo takes a radio out and begins playing a song for a couple seconds before the cranky old guy turns it off. I really liked the guitar tone and the overall sound of it – it's very aggressive, very rock and roll – so I tried looking it up but couldn't find any resource to help me figure what it is. At first I theorized it might be "Matchbox," because they released the Long Tall Sally EP just a few months before and it is Ringo holding the radio, but that solo doesn't appear in either the Beatles or the Carl Perkins version. I don't think it's any Beatles song, more likely some late 50's/early 60's American R&B. Are there any early rock junkies on here who would be able to recognize it?

 

Much obliged.

18 May 2012
11.51am
meanmistermustard
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Its known as Train Music and its quietly debated if its really the beatles or not, I think it was Walter Shenson who said it was. Available is the small clip heard in AHDS plus a couple of extra fragments (about 5 seconds worth in total) which were made available whencomplete tape was sold on ebay a couple of years ago.

Both of these are available on the fan made not for sale Helter Skelter release 'Back To Basics: A Hard Day's Night' which you'll find online to download.

 

The actual item is not on ebay any longer but the following description was copied from there by someone else to another forum (however the sample link contained in the text no longer works). 

You are looking at an excellent condition original vintage 1964 reel of EMI Recording Tape. This is the full and complete version of the infamous "Train Song" that is heard on Ringo's transistor radio for 5 seconds in the film "A Hard Day's Night"
Please cut and paste the link below to see & hear the actual part of the film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..I67c8tVH1M

The cardboard EMITAPE box is 5 inches in size, & has a piece of green colored Twickenham Film Studios paperwork partially attached to the back of the box, with several other torn off pieces of the old paperwork housed inside the box, this green paper is quite brittle from age, one can make out the words "Hard Days Night" handwritten on the faded document.
The actual tape is 1/4 inch in size and brown in color, plays at 15 IPS speed, and is in great high fidelity mono sound, mounted on a plastic 5 inch EMITAPE reel housed inside of the cardboard box.
This is no doubt, truly a one-of-a-kind item that is now 46 years old, this tape was found along with hundreds of other old tape reels in a closed recording studio in London back in the early 1970's.
No one has ever documented this recording as actually being performed by The Beatles or not, judging by listening to this recording, it sure sounds like it may be The Beatles deliberately trying to sound like another current beat group of the time, meaning, they purposely played this differently as to make it sound like it was NOT them!
It has never been proven whether this is The Beatles or not. The producer of the film Walter Shenson, is apparently on record somewhere stating that it WAS indeed The Beatles playing, but no one can find this documentation, and sadly he has since passed away.
Either way, this is sure an interesting missing piece of the puzzle in the world of Beatles audio!
The full length of this song is exactly 35 seconds, it is only lasts a mere 5 seconds in the film. The winner will also receive a CD recording made directly from the tape. The recording has a count in heard at the beginning and comes to a cold ending.
Please cut and paste the link below to download and hear a generous sample recording of highlights from this rare tape.
http://www.4shared.com/file/23…..0/HDN.html 
Please Note-no copies will be made of this tape and this is strictly a NO RETURN auction.
This item is being offered and sold strictly as a collectors item ONLY, NO rights are given or implied. 

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
19 May 2012
11.46pm
albatrossflyer
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Thank you so much! That's really disappointing though, in a way, I was looking forward to hearing a complete song! It makes sense that it would be the Beatles, since they would probably have had to get licensing to play another artist's song in their movie. I wonder why they never developed that idea, it sounds like it had potential.

20 May 2012
3.37am
meanmistermustard
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If it was them it was probably a brief studio jam/mess about which was thought appropriate to fit the scene.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
20 May 2012
12.32pm
Ben Ramon
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I think it probably is them. I don't see why any other group would have been used to create the clip. They probably just pinched a couple of seconds of tape from one of the early rehearsal takes of a song.

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20 May 2012
2.40pm
meanmistermustard
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If the tape sold on ebay to a fan hopefully it will be released online somewhere someday so we can get to hear it in all its 30 seconds of glory.

However quite a few acetates and other recordings have been auctioned and swallowed up never to be heard again, usually by EMI, Apple or Paul but fan collectors as well. Why a fan would purchase a rare recording/mix and not let others hear it is a mystery, perhaps they are concerned that if it does make its way into the underground it will be traced back to them.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
20 May 2012
4.25pm
Ben Ramon
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meanmistermustard said
If the tape sold on ebay to a fan hopefully it will be released online somewhere someday so we can get to hear it in all its 30 seconds of glory.

However quite a few acetates and other recordings have been auctioned and swallowed up never to be heard again, usually by EMI, Apple or Paul but fan collectors as well. Why a fan would purchase a rare recording/mix and not let others hear it is a mystery, perhaps they are concerned that if it does make its way into the underground it will be traced back to them.

Luckily in this age of information and with the huge Beatles culture on YouTube a lot of rare stuff like that can be heard.

SHUT UP - Paulie's talkin'
20 May 2012
5.23pm
meanmistermustard
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True but many beatle fans read that there an acetate of earlier acatate of All You Need Love is out there somewhere and want to hear it. We dont think well at least i can hear everything else thats out there at the moment.

We are spoilt by what we have but at the same time want far more.

Well i do anyway.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
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