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9.44pm
6 December 2009
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Having read the reference to Charles Manson, and having also read or seen various books, films and documents relating to those infamous murders of 1969, I think it should also be pointed out, despite the fact that Charles Manson did use Beatle references to try to justify his crimes, that it is also the belief of a number of commentators that Charles Mansons actions were as probably based on spite, rage and simple jealousy. Charles Manson had hoped to make a name for himself in music with the help of Beach Boy, Dennis Wilson… Dennis Wilson introduced Manson to the son of Doris Day, who at that time lived at the house in Cecilo Drive. But Terry Melcher (Doris Day's son) took no further interest in Manon, and this did enrage Manson. It would be easier to justify a plan of revolution by quoting Beatles lyrics and Bible references to a bunch of young hippies than exclaiming that you want revenge for the fact that your chance at stardom had been thwarted. Manson sent the Family back to Cecilio Drive for no other reason than revenge. It was unfortunate for Sharon Tate, that she and her friends happend to be at the property on the occasion the family arrived. The LaBianca murders were simply a rouse to throw suspicion away from the family, once Manson realised that he had missed his intended target, and killed someone else instead. That is my opinion, anyway.
6.05am
13 November 2009
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Interesting. I haven't read much about Manson and his family (I like sleeping at night and I like Helter Skelter), but what I have read is usually presented as if he really did believe that The Beatles were sending him messages. This makes more sense. I suppose he would have picked another celebrity(ies) if they weren't around in any case.
On a different note, did you read the article about the man who found out that Manson was his father? How freaky is that?
4.03pm
6 December 2009
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I'm not disputing the fact that Manson did probably pick up on the Beatles vibe, yet read, or chose to read dark messages within their lyrics. Of course, millions of Beatles fans were looking for meaning within various songs. The Paul is dead thing, for example. But Manson wasn't as crazy as people try to make out. He'd been in and out of prison throughout his life. I suppose tht might have made him bitter towards society. But I think, with the assistance of drugs, that he manipulated a lost group of hippies, and realising his power over them, exploited their gathering to further his own end. I still think the murder of Sharon Tate was really designed as an attack on Terry Melcher. That its roots were that of revenge rather than anything to do with 'Healter skelter coming down.'
7.43pm
13 November 2009
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No, no I understood you and I think your reasoning is sound. I was just saying if the Beatles weren't around he would have just picked something else. I.e. the Smother's Brothers, Beach Boys, Laugh-In, Gilligan's Island, etc. Heck, he could have said that NASA was broadcasting messages from the moon and his followers would have believed him.
2.17am
21 August 2009
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skye said:
On a different note, did you read the article about the man who found out that Manson was his father? How freaky is that?
I read that! Man, how disturbing would that be, to someday realize that your birth father was a mad serial killer. And to top it off, I read he was a huge Beatles fan as well, and knowing how his father interpreted the lyrics kind of prevents him from listening to the songs the same way ever again.
5.16am
13 November 2009
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God I know. I feel horrible for him because he seems like such a sweet guy. I hope he finds peace with it. That or they hurry up and come out with that drug that lets you forget certain memories.
11.16am
31 March 2008
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If anyone's unfamiliar with the Beatles/Manson connection, here's a feature on it: http://www.beatlesbible.com/fe…..es-manson/
11.24am
13 November 2009
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I hope I'm the first to use this smiley/growly (apart from Joe when he first added them): Charles Manson = 
! What a head-case he was!
8.35pm
13 November 2009
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And is. I'm not sure he's dead.
I've just about finished Anthology and one of George's comments on the matter stood out to me, and that is a man with long hair and a full beard is now more likely to be associated with Manson (in appearance) rather than peace loving hippies. Sadly I think he was right. Looking a pictures of a very serious George with that hair style always seemed a little creepy to me – now I know why. It's a shame.
8.50pm
31 March 2008
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Fortunately the hippies normally didn't go for the swastika tattoo in the middle of the forehead look. I'm not sure I agree with George though.
9.43pm
13 November 2009
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Well you've got a point there. Still, it did help to clarify what was bugging me. It's all subjective anyway.
10.14pm
Not sure when George said that, but it must have been in the '70s. I think Manson is farther removed now from the American psyche… sadly, we've had a bunch of other psychopathic serial killers and cult leaders to divert us from that maniac and his hippie-related image.
Probably what George was commenting on, however, was what Manson represented in the "straight world" -- most people feared hippies because they didn't trust them. They didn't buy the whole "peace and love" thing because they thought that hippies were either dirty, drug-crazed freeloaders (which many of them ended up being) or scary, drug-crazed sociopaths (which Manson was).
But I remember hippies as cool people. My dad used to drive us up to the Sunset Strip on weekend nights to "see the hippies." Most of them grew up, moved to Laurel Canyon, and bought Volvos. 
1.34am
13 November 2009
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So they grew up and became yuppies? I can't say I've much experience with real hippies, so all of this has been something of an eye opener. The media usually only shows the extremes.
2.10am
13 November 2009
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Joe said:
Fortunately the hippies normally didn't go for the swastika tattoo in the middle of the forehead look. I'm not sure I agree with George though.
I read in Dark Horse: The Secret Life of George Harrison that George actually admired Hitler because of his power, but obviously didn't agree with the way he used it. Apparently some of George's friends had posters of Hitler on their walls and stuff. And of course the swastika was a Hindu symbol originally. It weirded me out when I read it.
But anyway, back to Manson…
Has anyone seen the film Helter Skelter (about Manson)? I saw a bit of it on TV once but I didn't realise what it was so changed the channel because it wasn't about The Beatles which I hoped it would be. Is it any good?
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