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July 6th 1957
6 July 2013
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Today is the anniversary of John and Paul meeting each other through their mutual friend. I'm sure we all know the story of John singing for the Quarry Men and making up the words as he went, Paul playing "Twenty Flight Rock" on the guitar (upside down?)...   

What if they had never met that day? Would they have met otherwise?  Would the world be a different place?  

I hope Fiona Fu makes another drawing, she did one a few years ago for the anniversary and it was amazing.

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

7 July 2013
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What an amazing day it must have been! 

I think the meeting was meant to be, so they would have met another day and time, if not this one. That's just my opinion.  a-hard-days-night-george-10  The world most definitely would be a different place without John & Paul's music.  For one thing...we wouldn't all be here together.

Can you share said Fiona Fu drawing?!

a-hard-days-night-john-3a-hard-days-night-paul-5= heart

 

"....take a sad song & make it Meilleur"....

7 July 2013
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In that recent interview with Charlie Rose, Paul recounts how he impressed John by showing him he had memorized all the lyrics to some American rock song at the time. 

Paul said, half-joking (and half-serious) that if he hadn't impressed him this way, he may never have gotten into John's band (The Quarrymen).

 

 

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7 July 2013
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I always wonder if they would have achieved success, maybe individually or with another band, hadn't they met that day.

7 July 2013
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I always think the more important meeting, and this may sound like heresy, was Paul's meeting with Ivan Vaughan. Lennon and McCartney's paths may well have crossed at some stage during those Liverpool years, but would the older John have paid much attention to the younger Paul? They have often commented on how big the age gap seemed at that age. It was the link of a mutual friend that meant John and Paul met in the way that they did, and that John didn't just brush off the little kid. In exactly the same way that Paul's friendship with George meant that John didn't immediately brush off the even younger boy.

That day in 1957 is remembered for the moment in history that it is, but what if Paul had never met Ivan Vaughan (who was born on the same day as him, fact fans!).

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8 July 2013
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Funny Paper said
In that recent interview with Charlie Rose, Paul recounts how he impressed John by showing him he had memorized all the lyrics to some American rock song at the time. 

Paul said, half-joking (and half-serious) that if he hadn't impressed him this way, he may never have gotten into John's band (The Quarrymen).

 

 

Yes, I remember that from another interview, he was referring to "Twenty Flight Rock"...  I think he played and sang another song too, but I am not sure, I would have to look it up.

 

HeyTrud said
What an amazing day it must have been! 

I think the meeting was meant to be, so they would have met another day and time, if not this one. That's just my opinion.  a-hard-days-night-george-10  The world most definitely would be a different place without John & Paul's music.  For one thing...we wouldn't all be here together.

Can you share said Fiona Fu drawing?!

a-hard-days-night-john-3a-hard-days-night-paul-5= heart

 

a-hard-days-night-george-10

It's huge, so she posted it in eight chunks.   I have a version on pinterest as a whole long picture, but it doesn't post right, it warps.  

Beautiful, right?  The images in the fourth picture is what my artist used for George and Ringo for my tattoo. heart

 

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

8 July 2013
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Paul seems very good at memorizing other people's songs.  Some famous rock musician (possibly of the Zombies, not sure) recounted how when he visited Paul at his house, Paul proceeded to play one of the guy's songs in its entirety, from memory, and really impressed him.

 

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8 July 2013
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I wish I was better at that.  It's one of the challenges I am facing learning to play guitar.  I am okay at remembering chords, but it's remembering them in a song.  I can remember a chunk of them, but it's hard to remember the whole song.  Maybe I just need to practice more.  ahdn_paul_01

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

8 July 2013
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mja6758 said
I always think the more important meeting, and this may sound like heresy, was Paul's meeting with Ivan Vaughan. Lennon and McCartney's paths may well have crossed at some stage during those Liverpool years, but would the older John have paid much attention to the younger Paul? They have often commented on how big the age gap seemed at that age. It was the link of a mutual friend that meant John and Paul met in the way that they did, and that John didn't just brush off the little kid. In exactly the same way that Paul's friendship with George meant that John didn't immediately brush off the even younger boy.

That day in 1957 is remembered for the moment in history that it is, but what if Paul had never met Ivan Vaughan (who was born on the same day as him, fact fans!).

That meeting (Paul - Ivan), actually, is the more important one, as you say. No Ivan, no guarantee that John would have ever met Paul. But here, on the 6th July '57, the angry young Mr Lennon meets the younger, not so angry Mr McCartney. Whether this day is really the important day is debatable, but it's certainly an important one.

 

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8 July 2013
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LHL!  Thanks for posting that Fiona Fu.  Beautiful!  Amazing!  She does incredible work.  Wowza!  apple01 heart

"....take a sad song & make it Meilleur"....

8 July 2013
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 No problem!  heart

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

9 July 2013
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That guy Ivan mentioned above by mja was one of Paul's boyhood friends.  Paul in that Charlie Rose interview talked about Ivan and how he went on to become a Greek  & Latin professor at Cambridge, then died tragically young of Parkinson's.  On that show, Paul read a poem he wrote in memory of him, called simply "Ivan". 

I never knew about Ivan before.  That would make four dearly loved people Paul has lost in his life -- all untimely and tragic -- Ivan, John, Linda, and George.

 

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9 July 2013
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Funny Paper said
That guy Ivan mentioned above by mja was one of Paul's boyhood friends.  Paul in that Charlie Rose interview talked about Ivan and how he went on to become a Greek  & Latin professor at Cambridge, then died tragically young of Parkinson's.  On that show, Paul read a poem he wrote in memory of him, called simply "Ivan". 

I never knew about Ivan before.  That would make four dearly loved people Paul has lost in his life -- all untimely and tragic -- Ivan, John, Linda, and George.

 

Five, his mother too.  heart

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

10 July 2013
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LongHairedLady said

Funny Paper said
That guy Ivan mentioned above by mja was one of Paul's boyhood friends.  Paul in that Charlie Rose interview talked about Ivan and how he went on to become a Greek  & Latin professor at Cambridge, then died tragically young of Parkinson's.  On that show, Paul read a poem he wrote in memory of him, called simply "Ivan". 

I never knew about Ivan before.  That would make four dearly loved people Paul has lost in his life -- all untimely and tragic -- Ivan, John, Linda, and George.

 

Five, his mother too.  heart

I often find the bit players interesting. The "What ifs...?" and coincidences that brought all the pieces together.

It'll be interesting to see what light Lewisohn throws on Ivan in a few months, someone who is more accurately described as a boyhood friend of John and a later schoolmate of Paul (though Paul's relationship with Ivan as they grew older remained - and became closer - than John's with Ivan).

There are other connections between Ivan and Paul, Ivan and The Beatles, which show how he was - like Pete Shotton and John - one of the Liverpool friends that remained firmly in the inner circle. When, in 1965, Paul was looking for French lyrics for Michelle, it was Ivan's wife, Jan - a French teacher, who provided them (though imagine how different the Vaughans' life might have had she been given a small royalty for her contribution!).

In the late '60s, among those many ideas that floated around for what Apple could do, was the idea of an international-style school based on hippy ethics. Ivan was employed by Apple to head this up until, like so many Apple ideas, fell through.

Another little irony, Ivan Vaughan - the man who introduced Paul to John - was an occasional (tea-chest) bassist with The Quarrymen. One of John's bassists introduced him to someone who would become his most important bassist.

The poem about Ivan that Funny Paper refers to was actually the first poem (ie. not intended to be turned into a song lyric) Paul had written since his schooldays. He later said it was the beginning of him putting together the book Blackbird Singing: Poems and Lyrics, 1965-1999 - which, of course, included the Lennon-McCartney lyric Ivan's wife had helped with.

Both of you though, you disappoint me with your list of those "dearly loved" by Paul who were lost tragically and early. You both miss an important one, and someone Paul has said was "someone we loved dearly". See if you can fill in the gap I've helpfully dated for you in your joint list.

Mary McCartney (1956); ?? (1967); John Lennon (1980); Ivan Vaughan (1993); Linda McCartney (1998); George Harrison (2001).

Now both go "Oops!"

It's also interesting to note that the deaths of those close battered John much more early on. Uncle George. Julia. Stuart Sutcliffe. And then my mysterious figure from 1967 - whose death you can see just how "shocked and stunned" (and lost) John is when he George and Ringo face the press in Bangor (Paul already heading back to London).

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10 July 2013
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Brian! I was thinking that too, and what about Michael Jackson? You guys all forgot about him I guess. 

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10 July 2013
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^^ I got the feeling Paul and Michael Jackson were never close again after the buying-of-the-rights thing, even if they might have made a kind of peace with each other.

And then there's Paul's dad. Jim passed in 1976.

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10 July 2013
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Yeah, but his dad was kind of old. I guess it still could have been untimely, but we don't know that. It might have been right on time. 

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10 July 2013
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I was thinking more from the perspective of Paul losing quite a few loved ones, some at a fairly young age. Paul was still in his 30s when his father passed.

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Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at YouTube and Vimeo.

10 July 2013
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I have the same feeling as parlance about Michael Jackson and Paul I'm afraid, unknown. I might even be a little dismissive and call it a "show-business friendship". The truth is that their friendship lasted for about six years, and I doubt whether Paul ever really considered Michael as part of his "inner circle".

As to Jim, parlance, his death at the age of 73, I don't think can be counted among those who were tragic and early. While we are growing used to growing life expectancy, for a man of Jim's generation, 73 was a damn respectable age to reach.

 

EDIT: I was writing as the above two were exchanged. This is my response to post 16.

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10 July 2013
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Regrettable to think about but Paul's probably lost a lot more folks who meant as much or more to him than famous former professional acquaintances, however close they may have been. Being 71 years old means you've probably attended way too many funerals in your life. :(

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