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John and George Relationship Post-Beatles
13 August 2013
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I know its a long hope but it would be great if one day a photo turned up of all the Macca's and Lennons in the Dakota not just John and James. Would be something quite beautiful I feel to see that closeness.

If there is one of John and James I can but dream.

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
13 August 2013
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DrBeatle said
Yeah they'd made out and hung out quite a lot between '74-'76 or so, any time the Macs were in NYC. If James McCartney is to be believed, they'd even visited as late as '79 as he adamantly claims he has a photo of John holding him when he was ~2 yrs old (and he was born in '77). I will try to find the interview where he claims that.The supposed final meeting between the two when John hugged Paul in the hallway outside his apartment and said "think of me every now and then, old friend" was also (or so I've read) in the later 70s ('79?) so James' claim may well be true.

But they did speak on the phone regularly, too, and Paul said the fact that he had such a nice phone conversation with John just days before his murder is a source of comfort.

I had never heard about that final meeting - is it true that happened?  How wonderful....sniff.  For me that sums up the way I dream it was between them all - maybe not living in each others pockets but old friends who think of each other now and then.

I don't go in for the whole "Yoko's to blame" theory but I sometimes think that if you could take her out of the picture, that is the one single factor that may have changed the whole history of the Beatles, both fab and post-fab. Her influence on John and her relationship (or lack of) with the other three and with the wives/children/entourage was so all-permeating that everything would have been different had she not come on the scene. 

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13 August 2013
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I confirm the rumor about Yoko being behind the drug bust because she was irate about the McCartneys staying in "their" hotel room at the Tokyo Hilton. I'm almost 100% sure that I read that in the Seaman book. I prersonally think that her being irate about Paul staying in that room, with or without the drug bust thing, shows how maniplative and irrational she is. Who would care about something so insignificant except for Yoko? She really disliked the other three Beatles and I am sure it was because she disliked anything or anyone she could not control. I do find it odd Paul's bags would be searched. Whether she was involved with the bust or not, we do know she was responsible for keeping Julian and the McCartneys away from John. That shows what she is capable of. I think knowing the other things she did over the years just adds some reasonable doubt to the rumors being at least a little bit true (if that makes sense).

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14 August 2013
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I have a recollection in my head of having read that Paul had been at least trying to get in contact with John, if not had been, just before the Wings Japan tour and that had led to Yoko giving a tip-off to the customs officers at the Airport. No idea what the book was tho.

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14 August 2013
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^^ That's definitely Seaman's book. Paul called to let him know he was staying in the same hotel they liked to stay in in Tokyo, and that set off a panic.

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14 August 2013
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It's in Giuliano's Blackbird Singing as well.

    On the flight over, all McCartney could think about was how the maneuvering, vindictive Yoko had snubbed his efforts to make contact with his former partner. All he wanted to do, after all, was hang out for a couple of hours and blow a few joints for old times sake. But Yoko was adamant.
            "This isn't really a very good time," she cooed condescendingly into the telephone, seemingly thrilled to be the bearer of such inhospitable tidings. "We're very busy these days, you know. Maybe next time, okay?"
            McCartney, no slouch himself when it came to repartee, instantly retaliated by boasting that while in Ono's homeland they planned to set up shop in the posh presidential suite of the astronomically expensive Okura Hotel, John and Yoko's permanent home away from home while in Japan. This he knew would pique the always insanely jealous Yoko no end. "Right. Ta ra, then, luv," he said, hanging up the receiver. "Cow," he muttered, just loud enough for Linda to register a sly smile.

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14 August 2013
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To add to the rumor (which I've also read before), supposedly because Yoko's father was a powerful and influential person in Japan, she supposedly pulled strings high up in the Japanese government, no less, when she tipped them off to Paul's stash. Enough to search and toss him in jail, but not enough to throw the book at him.

 

It absolutely is not out of the realm of possibility, although I've no idea if it's true. It's 100% plausible, though.

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15 August 2013
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Yes, the sad thing is that whether you admire her or not, pretty much all of us believe Yoko capable of doing something like that.

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15 August 2013
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Never heard that before, but then, I never was really occupied with their lives after the Beatles until recently. If that rumor is true, then that's such a low and disgusting thing to do. Such things can make me angry, even though they happened 40 years ago.

30 August 2013
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Since we were on the topic, thought I'd post this here... someone posted a letter from John to Paul written in '79 from the Hotel Okura with his recommendations for places to eat. From the last line, it sounds like he was assuming Paul was staying there (though not necessarily in the same suite, of course).

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30 August 2013
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The letter is written in '79, and I would guess it is John offering Paul tips for the 1980 tour, knowing that it was coming up. Though Paul did encounter a problem or two after booking the Lennon's suite at the Okura!

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31 August 2013
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Thanks for posting that letter Parlance, sends a shot of delight, warmth and happiness thru the soul seeing John writing that for Paul considering how much you hear about them not getting on in the 70's (mostly untrue and based on the early period of that decade).

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
31 August 2013
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meanmistermustard said
Thanks for posting that letter Parlance, sends a shot of delight, warmth and happiness thru the soul seeing John writing that for Paul considering how much you hear about them not getting on in the 70's (mostly untrue and based on the early period of that decade).

 

Very welcome, and I was thinking the same. And it makes me question Seaman's version of events.

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Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at YouTube and Vimeo.

31 August 2013
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Oh, blast, someone commented at the thread that the letter was to Paul Drew, not McCartney.

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Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at YouTube and Vimeo.

31 August 2013
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Who the heck is Paul Drew, and who is he to get such a nice letter from John?

And damn, that would have been so heartwarming. 

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31 August 2013
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Seems he was one of the innovators of American Top 40 radio.

Found this very interesting history of American radio in the '60s & '70s which contains some interesting Beatles bits.

http://www.oidar.com/POTH.htm

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3 September 2013
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Bummer, it would've been nice if that was to the real Paul. It's trickled out over the years that John was, in a way, quite proud and envious of Paul's success with Wings, and he commonly listed Band on the Run as a favorite record. So I was hoping that letter really was from John to Paul. Ah, well!

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mccartneyalarm said
Fabulously interesting debate here! They were very complex people indeed. I think George hated Yoko so much that those feelings certainly contributed to the rift between George & John. (Though, they certainly weren't the basis of the rift, as you all pointed out....there were many reasons for it). At the end of John's life, Yoko kept George & John from reconciling (see Seaman's book), though I imagine John was ambivalent about the whole thing. The one thing that seems so strange to me (bugs me, really) is that George could be so close to Clapton after he stole Patti Boyd away from him. I know that the whole thing w/Patti was more involved than his just moving in on her. George was sleeping with Maureen Starkey and Patti had enough, and let herself become seduced by Clapton. Anyway, point is, George could forgive and accept Clapton, but not John whose sins against George were considerably more tolerable. For that matter George & Ringo stayed close even after George's affair with Maureen. Now there's proof they were complex people (and George wins the prize for hardest to figure out!) 

"For that matter George & Ringo stayed close even after George's affair with Maureen". I can't understand this! Please explain me!

 

12 March 2014
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First of all, George denied ever having an affair with Maureen. She say's so in her book. She suspected something was going on because Maureen use to hang out at Friar Park a lot so put two and two together and there you have it. Even if they were having an affair, in England in the 60's, a lot of couples were swingers and a lot of swapping was going on. I believe even Patti took part in that. I think both Ringo and Clapton remained friends with George because of the close bond they shared for so many years. This is all speculation on my part but none of it is my business anyway. Too many people focus on this 'Womanizer' deal they felt George was. I never thought that. The focus needs to be on all how he impacted our lives spiritually and through his music. We will never really know the truth so it's up to us to come to our own decision. I have always felt that if you don't know someone personally, you can't make accusations. 

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12 March 2014
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Personally I don't much care whether it's true or not - it certainly doesn't affect my opinion of George's music. (Or his many humanitarian works, for that matter. )

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