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John and George Relationship Post-Beatles
12 August 2013
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parlance said

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Well, there's a pretty unsavory passage in a book by some "professional" groupie (can't remember the title) where George merrily strummed away on his ukelele while getting "serviced" by 2 ladies sometime in the late 70s/80s. So the Madonna fling…I'd buy it if it turned out it was true, doesn't seem like it'd be out of the realm of possibility for George!

 

The book is You'll Never Make Love in This Town Again. It was just one woman, and she wasn't a groupie but a call girl. This article mentions the George bit. Funny, I'd forgotten there was a George chapter and I'd gotten rid of the book a couple of years ago during a spring cleaning.

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Ah that's the book, thanks! I thought I'd remembered there were 2…either both participating, or one doing and one watching. Either way, not a great situation for George to have immortalized! a-hard-days-night-george-4a-hard-days-night-ringo-14a-hard-days-night-ringo-6a-hard-days-night-paul-7

 

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12 August 2013
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Two against one, parody it is.

 

There are a lot of stories about the beatles, solo and together, being satisfied by young and not so young women (and a few fellas if you believe the rumours about John), we'll never know the truth, which is undoubtedly a good thing going by what's been written above. I have no interest in knowing what George got up to whilst strumming a ukulele in a hotel.

 

One question, did Paul and John make up (that's not the right word either, grrr! erm…) what was their relationship like leading up to Johns murder? I know that Paul and Linda went to Johns in '76 and were told to go away and call before turning up the next time and also that Yoko didn't send Paul's call to John thru in the Hit Studios, just not that sure of what went in between those times, don't remember ever reading anything in-between. Certainly John was aware of what Paul was doing as he mentioned Coming Up as one of the songs that got him back into the studio but had there been any actual communication between the two or was it all friendly vibes but no contact?

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12 August 2013
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meanmistermustard said

One question, did Paul and John make up (that's not the right word either, grrr! erm…) what was their relationship like leading up to Johns murder? I know that Paul and Linda went to Johns in '76 and were told to go away and call before turning up the next time and also that Yoko didn't send Paul's call to John thru in the Hit Studios, just not that sure of what went in between those times, don't remember ever reading anything in-between. Certainly John was aware of what Paul was doing as he mentioned Coming Up as one of the songs that got him back into the studio but had there been any actual communication between the two or was it all friendly vibes but no contact?

Yes, they were speaking on the phone, and Paul has spoken in interviews about how grateful he was that they had made peace. I was trying to find a specific interview and can't at the moment, but he did reference their reconnecting in his speech for John's induction into the Hall of Fame.

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12 August 2013
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Yeah they'd made out and hung out quite a lot between '74-'76 or so, any time the Macs were in NYC. If James McCartney is to be believed, they'd even visited as late as '79 as he adamantly claims he has a photo of John holding him when he was ~2 yrs old (and he was born in '77). I will try to find the interview where he claims that.The supposed final meeting between the two when John hugged Paul in the hallway outside his apartment and said "think of me every now and then, old friend" was also (or so I've read) in the later 70s ('79?) so James' claim may well be true.

But they did speak on the phone regularly, too, and Paul said the fact that he had such a nice phone conversation with John just days before his murder is a source of comfort.

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12 August 2013
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^^ I'm not usually one to point out typos, but if Paul and John actually made out, there better be photos. ;-D

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12 August 2013
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Weren't we just talking about their "making out" in John's gay leanings thread? (Insert giggle here) Anyway, Paul and John had made up, and I too can't find a good citation for that fact. Just speculation, but I don't know if Paul could have written "Here Today" (sniffle, sniffle) if there was still bad blood between himsef and John.

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12 August 2013
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Writing Here Today doesn't show that they had made up as I have no doubt that even if they hadn't, like with George and John and the rewriting of All Those Years Ago, any crap between them was in the big scheme of life nothing when it came down to it.

Never heard or read anything of Paul and John in communication after '76 so that's new info. Is there any credible source for this or is it just a rumour, just a rumour?… Possibly? Go on say yes… Thank you.

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12 August 2013
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meanmistermustard said
Writing Here Today doesn't show that they had made up as I have no doubt that even if they hadn't, like with George and John and the rewriting of All Those Years Ago, any crap between them was in the big scheme of life nothing when it came down to it.

Never heard or read anything of Paul and John in communication after '76 so that's new info. Is there any credible source for this or is it just a rumour, just a rumour?… Possibly? Go on say yes… Thank you.

No, definitely not a rumor, and if I can find one of those interviews with Paul again, I'll post it. He's mentioned their conversations about kids and baking bread a few times, and as DrBeatle said, it sounds like that happened as late as 1980. And I'm sure finding a transcript of his Hall of Fame speech is easy.

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12 August 2013
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However, re. 1980, there is the rumour (believe it is suggested in the Tarot Card Reader's book) that the Lennon's were behind Paul's Tokyo bust.

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12 August 2013
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John and Paul definitely made up, from what I've read there was no bad blood between them at all at the time of John's death. John and George on the other hand…. that's so sad and can really teach us all a lesson about burying the hatchet with people we love before it's too late. You never know when your time is up and from what I've heard the reasons for their not speaking were pretty weak. If John had lived they would have become friends again at some point, they both just left it too late. However, I think George made his peace with it, he knew when it came down to it he and John loved each other and the arguments were just petting callings out. 

12 August 2013
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mja6758 said
However, re. 1980, there is the rumour (believe it is suggested in the Tarot Card Reader's book) that the Lennon's were behind Paul's Tokyo bust.

Sorry for the double post. I read (can't remember where, sorry!) That John was really angry with Paul when he got busted and said how could he be so stupid! I don't think John was malicious enough to set him up. 

12 August 2013
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From what I recall, and I will hunt out Dakota Days later and find the quote, it was more a Yoko thing. She was annoyed Paul and Linda had booked the same suite they used at the Tokyo Hilton (or whichever hotel), and it was her who informed the authorities about the weed, which she and John may even have given them as they passed through New York. There is the strange aspect of someone of Paul's stature having his personal luggage searched, when they usually pass through airports as if holding diplomatic passports.

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12 August 2013
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I have the tarot card reader's book from the library right now, and I don't see that rumor of the Ono-Lennons being behind the bust, but I know that rumor – that the McCartneys staying in the same hotel the Ono-Lennons stayed in would be bad for their hotel karma, so Yoko called in a favor to keep that from happening. It might have originated with Fred Seaman's book.

The tarot reader does talk about John being very worried that Paul was being mistreated, and kept checking in on him, while alternately claiming not to care. According to the reader, John thought that Paul was being framed.

I think the phone conversations Paul's referencing might have happened after the bust.

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12 August 2013
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See, I really want to like Yoko and sometimes I manage it. John loved her and I worship John. But I hear things like this and it's impossible to defend her! However, I do take this story with a pinch of salt, I'm not sure I believe it. Surely she wouldn't of gone that far with Paul. He must know what happened, why would he cover up for Yoko? 

12 August 2013
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I think it may have been in Dakota Days and/or a few other books, but I also am familiar with rumor that Yoko somehow set Paul up for the pot bust (the hotel room being a reason). And of course he did have the pot so you can't blame her for that – whether she gave it to him or not – he had it.

I also thought I read or heard an interview by Paul saying that Yoko made some calls and helped to get him out of jail.

So that's both sides of the incident right there – and I wouldn't surprise me to learn that Yoko both had Paul set up and then arranged to get him released. Sound like Yoko? Oh yeah. Pure speculation so don't skewer me over this.

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12 August 2013
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There are so many rumours about them, I don't know what to believe. I don't know if Yoko would've been crazy enough to do something like that.

About John and Paul meeting: I know about the phonecalls and I know they met that one time when May Pang took that one picture of them, but I've never heard about them meeting in 1979 and John holding James and stuff like that.

13 August 2013
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I need to try and find that article where James says that…he was pretty adamant about it from what I remember reading. It certainly wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was indeed true.

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13 August 2013
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Well, if my memory about the bust story is right, and a few people have jumped in and said they know the story, then that would give John and Paul's last meeting as January 1980, which would fit in with your James story, DrBeatle.

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13 August 2013
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I've also read about Yoko being behind the Japan drug bust and that it was to do with the hotel Paul and Linda were staying in, cant remember where I read that but the same source then quickly went on to Pauls call to John being blocked by Yoko which makes me think it was an anti-Yoko thing.

Here's a BlogSpot that looks at when John and Paul last met (John says '76 which is why i would have thought it was then) and mentions James saying he had his photo taken with John which would put Johns date in doubt amongst other things. There is also a link to a Facebook page which contains a photo scan of a magazine interview with James who states near the top of the third column "I know John held me as a baby. Then I have memories of the Dakota building, very white, lots of sunlight pouring in". So we have a source – The Sunday Times.

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13 August 2013
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^ah, ok, good find! I'm glad I'm not losing my mind about it, then! :lol: I'd love to see a pic of John holding James, that'd be nice symmetry with the pic of Paul holding young Julian in '67 that is very famous.

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