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I think I found out why I don't like Ob-la-di Ob-la-da.
12 November 2011
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Well, I have to agree with Walrus and Doc Rob. It's crap, but the sax is good. Still a flying piece of "why did Paul get this and George not get Not Guilty?" Bad.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
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Kedame said:

I think the problem most Paul fans have with people who are strictly John or George fans, is that some of them (note I didn't say ALL, because that is certainly not true! There are obviously many people here who celebrate the work of all four Beatles…as a group and solo) dismiss Paul's work as being less than simply for the fact that the majority of it is happy. I like being happy. I don't see why that's a bad thing. I read somewhere the other day that Paul might as well be Justin Bieber…How???? can someone even suggest that?!?!?! Maybe if Bieber was a great melodist, multi-instrumentalist, and singer, and a good-great lyricist.

 

I think that John and George wrote happy songs. the difference is, and I still believe this, is the 'famous factor'

Paul likes being a star and he comes across this way. It is important to him that fans like him and there is nothing wrong with that. Each fan has their own reason for liking an artist and that is all that matters.

The thing with John and George is, they wanted to just play music and due to the popularity of the band, got tired of all the attention and adulation. For me, depth and emotion in songs is very important and writing about topics that will hold up years from now with meaning and inspiration is what music for me is all about.

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a-hard-days-night-paul-6 I kind of agree with you. Most of the time I listen and like songs that are more emotional, not just fun. Ob-la-di Ob-la-da is not an option for me though, I just don't like it, it bores me (I'm sorry Paul!) but it's true. I like more the songs composed by John/George. But I still love Paul! "Martha My Dear" is one of my favorites (of the beatles) along with "Honey Pie" and "For No One" "Eleanor Rigby" "Drive My Car" "Got To Get You Into My Life" "Here There And Everywhere" etc. when I first listened to it I fell in love with it. But for example, I don't like Penny Lane as much as Strawberry Fields Forever

 

Those kind of very very cheerful song are the ones who I don't listen to very often like ob-la-di ob-la-da or yellow submarine, and I must admit it. But Paul has his way of writing lyrics, George has his own and so did John. (I didn't mention Ringo because I don't know a lot of his solo career, so I rather not to touch it.)

 

Just my humble opinion a-hard-days-night-george-9

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13 November 2011
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I'm sure John and George wanted to be famous, too…at first. I don't think they went through everything they did in the early years to remain "nobodies." I think they got tired of it, but they sure did enjoy the benefits being famous got them (i.e. girls, money, girls, girls, money, houses, girls). I think if they worked so hard to become famous, complaining about it every five seconds after you get there is annoying…not that I'm saying that's what they did because it wasn't (meaning I exaggerated that a little). Also, since I've never been in that position (no one else on Earth has), it's not really my place to judge how the reacted to it. I'm kind of glad Paul enjoys his fame…but he also knows how to be a private person.  He has always been very good at separating the famous Paul from the private Paul. I think that's an interesting way to live, and I think he does it very well. He knows how to make the best out of a seemingly impossible situation. I guess his controlling nature helps there. It makes him compelling to me.

The reason I enjoy Paul's music so much is because it's usually about everyday life and often about love. It may not always be about his everyday life, but it's about someone's. I think he is good at being able to look at the lives of those around him and write about it in a way that a lot of people can understand. Mixed in there somewhere may be a little bit about himself, as well. I read an interview with some female (slightly feminist) filmmaker who said she learned a lot about writing female roles from listening to songs by Paul, especially Another Day. That was a pretty amazing thing for her to say because, as she noted, Paul spent his teenage years without even having a mother. I think he understands human nature very well and is able to look outside of himself for inspiration.

I think Ob-la-di, which may or may not be crap (I don't think it is), tells a universal story that is lasting. It's a story that's been told for centuries. Boy meets girl. They fall in love. Life goes on. Also, the boy wears make-up. See, an everlasting story. a-hard-days-night-george-8 I also think part of the stigma of the song is knowing that the other Beatles hated it so much. I don't think they were completely averse to the actual song because they did decide to record it…but the process of recording it and Paul's infuriating perfectionism put them off of it forever. (Though, I do think he was probably trying to get under John's skin…trying to infuriate him so much that John would show some interest in the recording process. It worked, too. John's piano intro, played while stoned off his ass and spitting mad, is great!)

Anyway…I'll stop now. I don't want to get too annoying with my Paul-defense and justification…Like I said, though, I just adore his music. Can't help it.

Edit: Just thought of something else. Like I said above, I do think Paul enjoys the fact that people enjoy him. HOWEVER, I also think he lives and breathes music. I don't think he is capable of not making music. I've read that he hums and whistles everywhere he goes. Like he just can't help it. Kind of like George bringing his ukes with him everywhere. His love for music shows in his recording all different styles, too. From electronic trance, to vaudeville, to rock, to pop, to R&B, and everything in between. I think the actual process of playing music, any kind of music, regardless of style and/or lyrics, is cathartic for him. It's his way of dealing with emotions…picking up a guitar or sitting at a piano and just jamming them out. According to his brother, the way he dealt with his mother's death was by playing guitar until his fingers bled. After most major tragedies in his life, he has turned to music and other creative projects, become crazy-productive, because it's just the way he deals.

Music is his way of living. I'm sure he enjoys the benefits that come with that…but I think he'd do it without the fame, too.

Okay…I promise I'm done! Hope y'all don't think I'm being belligerent because all of this was said in good faith. I feel no anger or need to persuade anyone to the Paul side of the fence (although the pastures are greener over here! hehehe). I just wanted to explain the way I view him and his motives. apple01heart

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13 November 2011
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In no way are you being belligerent, Kedame. You are actually being thoughtful, nice and making sure to advance your opinions with RESPECT (unlike Anderson). Actually, Lennon has gone from first to third (in part from you and in part from George taking over #1). Paul is different. If I ever want a carefree song, I go for Paul. Simple as that.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
13 November 2011
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I really need some George and Traveling Wilburys. I know ATMP is first! Then what? I hear Brainwashed, the Cloud one, and 33 1/3 are the best??? Idk where to start.

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13 November 2011
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 _Relax girl…

 

Brainwashed is a good option. Both albums are fantastic, but it's nice to start with BW and then go to ATMP. a-hard-days-night-george-10

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13 November 2011
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ATMP, then Brainwashed, Cloud Nine, then George Harrison. I have 33 and a third on vinyl, but I don't particularly remember it. Soon I'll listen again. (BTW, got Flaming Pie on Thursday. Still need to listen to it).

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
13 November 2011
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Flaming Pie is great, especially if you like acoustic. It's one of Paul's "deeper" albums. Calico Skies, Little Willow, Somedays, Souvenir, The Song We Were Singing, and Beautiful Night are my favorites. Heaven on a Sunday has a nice solo trade off between Paul and his son James, who's on electric. I like the jams (Really Love You…with Ringo and Used to be Bad…with Steve Miller) alright, too, but they can get a bit long. Nothing really of substance with those two, but you can tell they were having fun. Flaming Pie has obscure lyrics that make no sense, but there are some subtle little digs at Yoko in there somewhere, considering the song and album were named Flaming Pie because Yoko really insisted the Beatles got their name because John envisioned a man on a flaming pie telling him it should be so. How could she not tell that was just an amusing little story John used to be irreverent and witty?

Anyway…good album, overall. I'd say one of his best outside of Wings, next to Tug of War, Chaos, McCartney, Ram, and Electric Arguments.

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Flaming Pie is a good album. It breathes, something that was missing from Off The Ground, and sounds like Paul is making music to enjoy himself, not to say anything or prove he could make a good album and please the critics.

And Yoko misses the mark when talking about the Beatles. Her story about how George's Something was made a single came from Johns insistence is nonsense.

 

There was a program on the radio a while back and it had someone half famous saying the beatles werent as good as its claimed and their songwriting wasnt that great. And to justify this the individual (the persons name is long forgotten) used I Am The Walrus to back up their arguement saying the words were nonsense and made no sense!!!

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13 November 2011
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WTF…Walrus is infectious. John's phrasing is so good on those wacky songs. The way he sings it is incredible. It's the first Beatles song that grabbed my attention and made me download dozens of songs illegally in one night. Who else would seriously think of lyrics like "pornographic priestess?" Such a good word combination. It doesn't matter if it makes no sense!

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13 November 2011
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I love "Ob-la-di Ob-la-da". it isn't a very good song but when I'm down it cheers me up (like Good Day Sunshine … just that Good Day Sunshine is better). 

 

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kedame said:

I'm sure John and George wanted to be famous, too…at first. I don't think they went through everything they did in the early years to remain "nobodies." I think they got tired of it, but they sure did enjoy the benefits being famous got them (i.e. girls, money, girls, girls, money, houses, girls).

I've always thought that too! All four of them really, really wanted to be famous, but once they did, after a period of "OMG-yay-we're-famous" John and George in particular got tired of it, or maybe even downright hated it. Especially John, because he couldn't fully take advantage of the benefits of fame due to being "trapped"  with Cyn and Julian. But all of them did want to be famous at first. They just couldn't deal with fame, some of them more than others. Most famous people can't, which is why we get so much crazy celebrity behavior. Kedame, your whole post was REALLY good. (I thought quoting the whole thing would clutter up my post, but I'll compliment you anyhow.)

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Certainly George and John were the most obvious beatles who wanted to get their own space but Ringo and Paul did as well.

Ringo has said that they worked hard to become famous and they loved it all at the beginning. However with all the pressure Beatlemania brought as well as the environments they found themselves in they wanted it to stop and it didnt. They were happy and relieved to quit touring in 1966 including Paul as they were then able to breathe a bit more and find some freedom.

As said above Paul has created a way where he can keep his private live separate from his public persona. Ringo has developed a public personality where he comes across as irksome, probably to stop being hassled by one and all.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I wasn't saying they didn't. Ringo especially has said a lot of negative things about fame. I think John and George disliked it most obviously, and most while the band was still together.

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 Kind of like George bringing his ukes with him everywhere.

 

Kedame, you have now idea how perverted that soundsa-hard-days-night-ringo-13

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8?

"Now and then, though, someone does begin to grow differently. Instead of down, his feet grow up toward the sky. But we do our best to discourage awkward things like that." "What happens to them?" insisted Milo. "Oddly enough, they often grow ten times the size of everyone else," said Alec thoughtfully, "and I’ve heard that they walk among the stars." –The Phantom Tollbooth
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-6Never mind, never mind…Perhaps I'm the perverted one here. You are blessed not to know.

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Thanks for posting about Calico Skies kedame, you gave me a nice project for my weekend. Fortunately Paul made a video where he is pretty much just playing the song (what a swell guy) so I was able to learn how he plays it literally from the man himself. Bit of a difficult one to sing and play at the same time, but I'm getting there. You can certainly see the Across The Universe inspiration. I love his acoustic songs.

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minime said:

a-hard-days-night-ringo-6Never mind, never mind…Perhaps I'm the perverted one here. You are blessed not to know.

I totally know what you mean! (For seaglass, whom I thank so much for your kind words earlier…George apparently had a few services performed by a woman, all while continuously playing his uke. Funny story.)

And GnikNus…you're welcome. It's a beautiful song, and it sounds wonderful in concert. It's especially touching when you think about the fact that he recorded it when Linda was dying. I think I know that video you're talking about…the one where he is sitting at the campfire? There's a whole little documentary about Flaming Pie that is pretty good. Paul and Ringo sing a funny version of one of the songs, with Paul singing that Ringo is a bastard. It's funny.

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