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20 June 2013
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Hi, I'm new to this site and forum, but I am a young man who is an absolute die-hard fan of the Beatles. I have been searching lately for a complete chronological list of every song The Beatles ever recorded. However, while there are many lists out there which attempt this, I haven't been able to find any that I believe are really complete.  For instance, in the "Songs" section of this site, I have noticed that the majority of the songs recorded with Tony Sheridan are omitted from the list. I find this odd because "My Bonnie", "The Saints", "Cry For a Shadow", and "Ain't She Sweet" (I realize the last two don't actually have Sheridan on the recording, but I mention them because they were recorded in the same place and time-frame) are listed.  Why are songs like "Nobody's Child" or "Why" not listed? Also, can anyone post a link to a list they feel is truly definitive?

20 June 2013
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Wiki has one which you can adjust the column titles as you please. It does not include all the bbc tracks but does include quite a few home demos - and no Why (i love Why?).

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20 June 2013
11.56pm
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Yeah I was looking at that one, but that one doesn't include the Sheridan ones either.  I'm somewhat mystified that those songs are repeatedly left out.  But other than that, do you think the wiki list is better than the one attached to this site?  The fact that you can adjust the columns on that list is awesome, but I'm more concerned about a more complete list of songs. I guess I could make my own list but I'm sure my knowledge is incomplete.

21 June 2013
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I'd say that going for your own list is probably the best - and using what sources you can. While the Wiki list isn't bad, I'd say it's nowhere near as complete as you're hoping for. For instance, while missing some of the Sheridan, there's also very few of the unreleased Get Back material of which Joe has a massive list in the Features section. An idea might be to make your list, post it, and ask if anyone here is able to point out anything you're missing.

It also depends on how complete you want the list. Are you looking to create of every known recording, which would be ambitious and I'm sure even the most knowledgeable of us here would be looking for advice on what we'd missed, or are you looking to create a list of each song they recorded, which is a slightly easier task? How far back in the chronology are you looking go - you could go right back to the day John met Paul, as a couple of songs from The Quarrymen that day do exist on tape.

It's a big topic, and in some areas the details are sketchy.

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21 June 2013
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Oh man, this is getting more complicated than I thought it would.  The reason I am interested in this in the first place is because I have a running hobby which involves recording my own versions of Beatles songs, track by track, instrument by instrument, all by myself, as faithfully as possible.  I am competent with all the basic instruments and I have not progressed so far into their later years (and frankly making accurate renditions of the brass and string parts will be a new problem). I was finishing up A Hard Day's Night when I decided that I wanted to get even more ambitious so I decided to start making recordings year by year.  Because of my purpose I just need a list of every song recorded, not every recording.  A list of every recording would be awesome, but sounds more like a serious academic pursuit.  I guess I will attempt to make my own list by using my own knowledge and cross-referencing other lists.  Then I can post it and get suggestions.  But still I would appreciate any advice from anyone.  I suppose the chronology would start in 1958 when they recorded "In Spite Of All The Danger" and "That'll Be the Day", which are the two earliest I could find.

21 June 2013
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Just to make sure, are those two the earliest of early recordings? I assumed they are but I'm not totally sure.

21 June 2013
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So far as I know it is the earliest Quarrymen recording to feature John, Paul and George. However, as I referenced above, there is an earlier Quarrymen recording, dating from 6 July 1957, the day John met Paul. John was the only future Beatle in the group at the time. The Quarrymen played at the fete in the afternoon, and at a dance in the church hall that evening. A fellow pupil at Quarry Bank, Bob Molyneux, taped part of the evening performance on a reel-to-reel.

The tape came up for auction in the 1994 and was bought by EMI for £78,500 (making it the most expensive recording auctioned up to that time), leading to much speculation about possible inclusion in Anthology. Prior to the auction, short segments of Lonnie Donegan's Puttin' on the Style and Elvis' Baby Let's Play House were made public, becoming the earliest known recordings of John.

There are also the later, 1960, home recordings of John, Paul, George and Stuart which only a tiny part were included on Anthology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohqWsQGznw8

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21 June 2013
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Wow, thanks a ton for posting those.  I have never heard these braun-kirchherr tapes before. Although it's understandable why they chose to only put a few tracks from them on the Anthology.  I have managed to put together a chronological list of songs that I'm pretty happy with, however it's super long and I'm not sure if I should post it here.  I need to clean it up a little and then I'll post it.

22 June 2013
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Was happy to do it. The Quarrymen recording is, I think, interesting in that Baby Let's Play House went on to form the basis of Run for Your Life. The Braun-Kirchherr tapes are just a fascinating insight of them before Hamburg, and probably within days of Stu buying his bass. In fact, it seems that as much they'd decided to record themselves on a borrowed reel-to-reel, the main purpose of the rehearsals was to try and bring Stu up to speed on his newly acquired bass - which would explain all the long, pretty formless, instrumental jams. However, so far as the Anthology inclusions go (Hallelujah, I Love Her SoCayenne; You'll Be Mine) I might have chosen two, but not Cayenne. I would have wanted the first version of One After 909 - which I think is great, and that formative version of I'll Follow The Sun.

I don't know whether you clicked through to the YouTube page, but if you haven't would recommend that. It gives a full tracklisting as well as a history of the tapes.

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9 July 2013
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Jape said
Hi, I'm new to this site and forum, but I am a young man who is an absolute die-hard fan of the Beatles. I have been searching lately for a complete chronological list of every song The Beatles ever recorded. However, while there are many lists out there which attempt this, I haven't been able to find any that I believe are really complete.  For instance, in the "Songs" section of this site, I have noticed that the majority of the songs recorded with Tony Sheridan are omitted from the list. I find this odd because "My Bonnie", "The Saints", "Cry For a Shadow", and "Ain't She Sweet" (I realize the last two don't actually have Sheridan on the recording, but I mention them because they were recorded in the same place and time-frame) are listed.  Why are songs like "Nobody's Child" or "Why" not listed? Also, can anyone post a link to a list they feel is truly definitive?

Hi. I'd missed out some of the Sheridan recordings, but since reading your post I've added more articles to the Songs section. I still have to write about Sweet Georgia Brown (and possibly Swanee River, though that recording is lost). I've also added/improved the session articles on the History section.

I haven't added all the Get Back/LIB recordings to the Songs page because a lot of them weren't seriously performed. I've not included demos or unfinished songs, with a couple of exceptions like Child Of Nature. I was really only intending to include songs which have been officially released by The Beatles (hence no Bad To Me, World Without Love etc), but have ended up adding a few more over the years. I have to draw the line somewhere, but if I've missed out anything particularly significant do let me know.

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