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Hearing John's or George's influence in Paul's songs and vice versa.
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13 April 2012
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I didn't know whether to post this here or in "songs."  It has to do with post-Beatles songs, so I put it here.

 

The question: Speaking purely of their post-Beatles output, in which songs can you hear the influence of one of the other Beatle's songwriting?  Put differently:

Which Paul songs sound the most as though they could have been written by, or at least deeply influenced by, John?  By George?

 

Which John songs sound the most as though they could have been written by, or at least deeply influenced by, Paul?  By George?

 

Which George songs sound the most as though they could have been written by, or at least deeply influenced by, John?  By Paul?

 

I have some ideas but I want to hear what others think.

14 April 2012
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Mhh I dunno but I don't see much influence in each other's work.

 

Maybe .... in John's influence in Paul,  "Let Me Roll It" and Paul's influence in John... "Whatever gets you through the night".

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Uhmm, I suppose you aren't looking for the obvious ones such as "How Do You Sleep?" or "Dear friend/boy"?  I agree with Mith that Let Me Roll It is a good example of John's influence on Paul ( at least it appears so). I think "Well Well Well" sounds a bit like something Paul might have composed in 1969 or so 

14 April 2012
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Paul himself said he felt like he was channeling George when he wrote "friends to go".

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I think some of John's poppier output in the late '70s was trying to incorporate an element of McCartneyism, seeing as Paul had just had huge success and a world tour with Wings using that polished, funky stadium rock sound on Band On The Run and Venus And Mars. I think "Whatever Gets You Thru The Night" and "Listen to What The Man Said" have similarities, and John said that he was influenced to start work on Double Fantasy by Paul's disco-esque "Coming Up."

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Somebody mentioned Paul's "Another Day" in a different thread, and it reminds me of George and the kind of things he was producing around the same time, ATMP-era. There's something about that guitar.

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Not that there was necessarily any deliberate sign of stylistic imitation; but I think if we didn't know any better, we'd all SWEAR that "Mean Mr. Mustard" was much more of a "Paul" than a "John" song - bouncy piano, goofy subject matter.

As for deliberate, specific influence...Why would George add the line "We all know Ob-La-Di-Bla-Da" to "Savoy Truffle"? Did he just decide he liked the way the phrase sounded; did he need a few syllables to fill a hole; was it a wry comment on the song's overfamiliarity after they were forced to play 50 takes? It's fun to speculate.

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(Just Like) Starting Over could easily be a Paul song.

Man We Was Lonely sounds like John wrote (and sang) the chorus and Paul the verse.

Maxine (Traveling Wilburys) sounds a lot like a Paul song (one of his characters), with John's sense of humour ("it was a photo of a woman on a llama").

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vonbontee said
As for deliberate, specific influence...Why would George add the line "We all know Ob-La-Di-Bla-Da" to "Savoy Truffle"? Did he just decide he liked the way the phrase sounded; did he need a few syllables to fill a hole; was it a wry comment on the song's overfamiliarity after they were forced to play 50 takes? It's fun to speculate.

I read that he said that because Ob-la-di is such a happy song and he wanted to suggest with Savoy Truffle that life isn't so jolly and it might not go on. Basically because if you'll have to have all your teeth pulled out after the Savoy Truffle.

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Really? That's interesting! I didn't think George would ever have any good things to say about "Ob-La-Di..."

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Have always seen "we all know ob-la-di ob-la-da" as being a dig at having had endless sessions recording the darn thing. The kind of irritation and pain you get when you have toothache from eating too many chocolates

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It could be that, it could be what I said. I dunno. I was just sharing what I read somewhere.

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You could be right fabfouremily, its a different angle to the lyric and a pretty interesting one at that.

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Hahah yeah I know, that's what I thought when I first read it. Trust it to be George to put a more sinister tone onto a song that's so happy.

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3 August 2012
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That does sound more like the George we know.

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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I always thought George was having a dig at Paul, because Ob-la-di Ob-la-da doesn't tell us anything about Paul- "can you show me where you are?"

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And that's another way of looking at it. Oh! I don't know anymore.

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I always thought Wah-Wah is a bit influenced by paul/john, because it's kind of a pop/rock song george wouldn't normally write but paul and john would.

Anyway I always thought when the Beatles had released Man We Was Lonely, the chorus would have been sung by all four beatles and the verses by paul alone (like Carry That Weight)

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Really? To me Wah-Wah sounds very George. Maybe because of the lyrics. ahdn_george_06ahdn_george_06

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