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doing research - trying to get a full list of Beatles entourage who hated Yoko
8 January 2014
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I have to say that no matter what I read from people who give their reasons to dislike Yoko, I still like her.  Fred Seaman's book has a lot of bad things to say about Yoko (in her relationship with John, not with The Beatles), but she was basically just like John--two peas in a pod.  Both narcissistic, both self-serving.  You can't really blame her for having an affair when John already did the same thing to her…or for wanting to divorce him when he probably wanted the same thing at some point.

 

When you speak of John having an affair, you aren't speaking of May Pang, are you ?

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I have to say that no matter what I read from people who give their reasons to dislike Yoko, I still like her.  Fred Seaman's book has a lot of bad things to say about Yoko (in her relationship with John, not with The Beatles), but she was basically just like John--two peas in a pod.  Both narcissistic, both self-serving.  You can't really blame her for having an affair when John already did the same thing to her…or for wanting to divorce him when he probably wanted the same thing at some point.

 

When you speak of John having an affair, you aren't speaking of May Pang, are you ?

Well, there is that, although some say it was Yoko's idea…apparently the relationship was already happening before the Lost Weekend though, according to Pang.

There is the girl that John did it with at Jerry Rubin's party the night Nixon won reelection, with Yoko sitting in the next room and everyone hearing the groans.  I'm sure there were other times as well, but I can't name any.

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9 January 2014
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Well, there is that, although some say it was Yoko's idea…apparently the relationship was already happening before the Lost Weekend though, according to Pang. There is the girl that John did it with at Jerry Rubin's party the night Nixon won reelection, with Yoko sitting in the next room and everyone hearing the groans.  I'm sure there were other times as well, but I can't name any.

 

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russb said

Expert Textpert said
I have to say that no matter what I read from people who give their reasons to dislike Yoko, I still like her.  Fred Seaman's book has a lot of bad things to say about Yoko (in her relationship with John, not with The Beatles), but she was basically just like John--two peas in a pod.  Both narcissistic, both self-serving.  You can't really blame her for having an affair when John already did the same thing to her…or for wanting to divorce him when he probably wanted the same thing at some point.

 
When you speak of John having an affair, you aren't speaking of May Pang, are you ?

Well, there is that, although some say it was Yoko's idea…apparently the relationship was already happening before the Lost Weekend though, according to Pang.

There is the girl that John did it with at Jerry Rubin's party the night Nixon won reelection, with Yoko sitting in the next room and everyone hearing the groans.  I'm sure there were other times as well, but I can't name any.

 

well of course it was Yoko's idea.  Yoko set the whole thing up.

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Apparently there is another story that Yoko didn't actually set it up, but John later agreed to say that she did when they got back together.  Also, the story about how John was always calling and asking when he could come home may not be true either.  Some accounts say Yoko was the one anxious for John to come back.

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9 January 2014
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BrynnanaPhone said
These threads are disgusting. Have any of you even bothered to look up her origins beyond what wikipedia says?

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LongHairedLady said

BrynnanaPhone said
These threads are disgusting. Have any of you even bothered to look up her origins beyond what wikipedia says?

Where's the gif from LLL, looks an interesting interview to watch?

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9 January 2014
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Apparently there is another story that Yoko didn't actually set it up, but John later agreed to say that she did when they got back together.  Also, the story about how John was always calling and asking when he could come home may not be true either.  Some accounts say Yoko was the one anxious for John to come back.

Yep. In fact if you read just about any account *other* than Yoko's, he was having such a blast with May and reconnecting with all of his old friends who Yoko had cut him off from, that he was ignoring her calls and would roll his eyes and make disparaging remarks about her every time someone told him that she'd call for him. Which makes him going back to her in late '74 all the more bewildering.

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9 January 2014
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meanmistermustard said

LongHairedLady said

BrynnanaPhone said
These threads are disgusting. Have any of you even bothered to look up her origins beyond what wikipedia says?

Where's the gif from LLL, looks an interesting interview to watch?

It's a great interview!  It's from "Wingspan", the whole thing in on Youtube in parts.  That his daughter Mary doing the interview.  I think he was actually talking about Yoko in this part too, haha.  

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

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LongHairedLady said

meanmistermustard said

LongHairedLady said

BrynnanaPhone said
These threads are disgusting. Have any of you even bothered to look up her origins beyond what wikipedia says?

Where's the gif from LLL, looks an interesting interview to watch?

It's a great interview!  It's from "Wingspan", the whole thing in on Youtube in parts.  That his daughter Mary doing the interview.  I think he was actually talking about Yoko in this part too, haha.  

Thanks. Haven't seen Wingspan since it was screened on Channel 4 in the UK. 

Cracking gif by the way, could be used on so many threads to answer posts and comments.

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9 January 2014
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DrBeatle said

Expert Textpert said
Apparently there is another story that Yoko didn't actually set it up, but John later agreed to say that she did when they got back together.  Also, the story about how John was always calling and asking when he could come home may not be true either.  Some accounts say Yoko was the one anxious for John to come back.

Yep. In fact if you read just about any account *other* than Yoko's, he was having such a blast with May and reconnecting with all of his old friends who Yoko had cut him off from, that he was ignoring her calls and would roll his eyes and make disparaging remarks about her every time someone told him that she'd call for him. Which makes him going back to her in late '74 all the more bewildering.

 

And yet, he still saw May quite frequently (by her accounts) up until mid-1980, didn't he? It's like he wanted it both ways: he wanted the comfort and security that Yoko must have provided, yet couldn't quite let May go. And from everything I've heard or read, everyone liked May a lot, whereas we all know how everyone felt about Yoko, so yeah, I don't get it either. I mean, if he and Yoko doesn't re-connect, then there is no Sean, so it's not right for any of us to say it was a bad choice, but it still doesn't quite make sense to me.

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9 January 2014
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 …so yeah, I don't get it either. I mean, if he and Yoko doesn't re-connect, then there is no Sean, so it's not right for any of us to say it was a bad choice, but it still doesn't quite make sense to me.

I think the answer was provided by John in the lyrics of "Strawberry Fields Forever," when he sang "No one I think is in my tree…" It was true. Who knew?

9 January 2014
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wetsroosa said

DrBeatle said

Expert Textpert said
Apparently there is another story that Yoko didn't actually set it up, but John later agreed to say that she did when they got back together.  Also, the story about how John was always calling and asking when he could come home may not be true either.  Some accounts say Yoko was the one anxious for John to come back.

Yep. In fact if you read just about any account *other* than Yoko's, he was having such a blast with May and reconnecting with all of his old friends who Yoko had cut him off from, that he was ignoring her calls and would roll his eyes and make disparaging remarks about her every time someone told him that she'd call for him. Which makes him going back to her in late '74 all the more bewildering.

 

And yet, he still saw May quite frequently (by her accounts) up until mid-1980, didn't he? It's like he wanted it both ways: he wanted the comfort and security that Yoko must have provided, yet couldn't quite let May go. And from everything I've heard or read, everyone liked May a lot, whereas we all know how everyone felt about Yoko, so yeah, I don't get it either. I mean, if he and Yoko doesn't re-connect, then there is no Sean, so it's not right for any of us to say it was a bad choice, but it still doesn't quite make sense to me.

Yes, he did still see (and sleep) with May till then. I've read many people who said that his true love was with May but he was scared to leave the "security" of Yoko, whatever that means in their context. Still, there is a lot of evidence that he was looking to break free from her in 1981 but sadly he was killed. The fact that she took up with a new guy a mere 3 months after John's death should tell us all how much BS the "johnandyoko love story" myth Yoko has perpetuated since 1980 really is.

 

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DrBeatle said

wetsroosa said

DrBeatle said

Expert Textpert said
Apparently there is another story that Yoko didn't actually set it up, but John later agreed to say that she did when they got back together.  Also, the story about how John was always calling and asking when he could come home may not be true either.  Some accounts say Yoko was the one anxious for John to come back.

Yep. In fact if you read just about any account *other* than Yoko's, he was having such a blast with May and reconnecting with all of his old friends who Yoko had cut him off from, that he was ignoring her calls and would roll his eyes and make disparaging remarks about her every time someone told him that she'd call for him. Which makes him going back to her in late '74 all the more bewildering.

 

And yet, he still saw May quite frequently (by her accounts) up until mid-1980, didn't he? It's like he wanted it both ways: he wanted the comfort and security that Yoko must have provided, yet couldn't quite let May go. And from everything I've heard or read, everyone liked May a lot, whereas we all know how everyone felt about Yoko, so yeah, I don't get it either. I mean, if he and Yoko doesn't re-connect, then there is no Sean, so it's not right for any of us to say it was a bad choice, but it still doesn't quite make sense to me.

Yes, he did still see (and sleep) with May till then. I've read many people who said that his true love was with May but he was scared to leave the "security" of Yoko, whatever that means in their context. Still, there is a lot of evidence that he was looking to break free from her in 1981 but sadly he was killed. The fact that she took up with a new guy a mere 3 months after John's death should tell us all how much BS the "johnandyoko love story" myth Yoko has perpetuated since 1980 really is.

 

The rumours, well the ones i've read, go that Yoko was seeing someone else in the months before John was killed, and whilst i haven't read about John going with May as well, it wouldn't surprise me if there had been someone else aside from Yoko. No-one including Yoko (regardless of how much she sells and spouts it) can seriously believe the johnandyoko myth that has been alive since pretty much when they met.

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DrBeatle said

wetsroosa said

DrBeatle said

Expert Textpert said
Apparently there is another story that Yoko didn't actually set it up, but John later agreed to say that she did when they got back together.  Also, the story about how John was always calling and asking when he could come home may not be true either.  Some accounts say Yoko was the one anxious for John to come back.

Yep. In fact if you read just about any account *other* than Yoko's, he was having such a blast with May and reconnecting with all of his old friends who Yoko had cut him off from, that he was ignoring her calls and would roll his eyes and make disparaging remarks about her every time someone told him that she'd call for him. Which makes him going back to her in late '74 all the more bewildering.

 

And yet, he still saw May quite frequently (by her accounts) up until mid-1980, didn't he? It's like he wanted it both ways: he wanted the comfort and security that Yoko must have provided, yet couldn't quite let May go. And from everything I've heard or read, everyone liked May a lot, whereas we all know how everyone felt about Yoko, so yeah, I don't get it either. I mean, if he and Yoko doesn't re-connect, then there is no Sean, so it's not right for any of us to say it was a bad choice, but it still doesn't quite make sense to me.

Yes, he did still see (and sleep) with May till then. I've read many people who said that his true love was with May but he was scared to leave the "security" of Yoko, whatever that means in their context. Still, there is a lot of evidence that he was looking to break free from her in 1981 but sadly he was killed. The fact that she took up with a new guy a mere 3 months after John's death should tell us all how much BS the "johnandyoko love story" myth Yoko has perpetuated since 1980 really is.

 

I always wonder how Sean Lennon feels about May. He has to know by this point, being almost 40 years old now (scary thought, isn't it?), about the whole scenario of the Lost Weekend. Either he's heard about it or read about it or whatever, but he has to know. He's probably pondered the thought of his parents not really being a loving, close couple by the time John was killed, as has been discussed on other boards here. For all we know, I'm sure Yoko laid the "johnandyoko love story" myth on Sean thick when he was younger. (And honestly, you can't blame her there. As a kid, he didn't need the truth.) But by now, he knows the deal. That would be a fascinating question to ask Sean if anyone ever got the chance and was bold enough to ask it. Whether he'd be honest enough with the answer would be another story.

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wetsroosa said

DrBeatle said

wetsroosa said

DrBeatle said

Expert Textpert said
Apparently there is another story that Yoko didn't actually set it up, but John later agreed to say that she did when they got back together.  Also, the story about how John was always calling and asking when he could come home may not be true either.  Some accounts say Yoko was the one anxious for John to come back.

Yep. In fact if you read just about any account *other* than Yoko's, he was having such a blast with May and reconnecting with all of his old friends who Yoko had cut him off from, that he was ignoring her calls and would roll his eyes and make disparaging remarks about her every time someone told him that she'd call for him. Which makes him going back to her in late '74 all the more bewildering.

 
And yet, he still saw May quite frequently (by her accounts) up until mid-1980, didn't he? It's like he wanted it both ways: he wanted the comfort and security that Yoko must have provided, yet couldn't quite let May go. And from everything I've heard or read, everyone liked May a lot, whereas we all know how everyone felt about Yoko, so yeah, I don't get it either. I mean, if he and Yoko doesn't re-connect, then there is no Sean, so it's not right for any of us to say it was a bad choice, but it still doesn't quite make sense to me.

Yes, he did still see (and sleep) with May till then. I've read many people who said that his true love was with May but he was scared to leave the "security" of Yoko, whatever that means in their context. Still, there is a lot of evidence that he was looking to break free from her in 1981 but sadly he was killed. The fact that she took up with a new guy a mere 3 months after John's death should tell us all how much BS the "johnandyoko love story" myth Yoko has perpetuated since 1980 really is.
 

I always wonder how Sean Lennon feels about May. He has to know by this point, being almost 40 years old now (scary thought, isn't it?), about the whole scenario of the Lost Weekend. Either he's heard about it or read about it or whatever, but he has to know. He's probably pondered the thought of his parents not really being a loving, close couple by the time John was killed, as has been discussed on other boards here. For all we know, I'm sure Yoko laid the "johnandyoko love story" myth on Sean thick when he was younger. (And honestly, you can't blame her there. As a kid, he didn't need the truth.) But by now, he knows the deal. That would be a fascinating question to ask Sean if anyone ever got the chance and was bold enough to ask it. Whether he'd be honest enough with the answer would be another story.

Isn't twitter for when we want to ask questions but not get psychically assaulted? 

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Isn't twitter for when we want to ask questions but not get psychically assaulted? 

 Well, I don't have Twitter. Fellow Beatle Biblers, anyone want to take the subject to Sean via Twitter?

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wetsroosa said

meanmistermustard said

Isn't twitter for when we want to ask questions but not get psychically assaulted? 

 Well, I don't have Twitter. Fellow Beatle Biblers, anyone want to take the subject to Sean via Twitter?

I'm out of the woods on this one. No Twitter for me.ahdn_paul_02

 

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Ahhh Girl said

wetsroosa said

meanmistermustard said

Isn't twitter for when we want to ask questions but not get psychically assaulted? 

 Well, I don't have Twitter. Fellow Beatle Biblers, anyone want to take the subject to Sean via Twitter?

I'm out of the woods on this one. No Twitter for me.ahdn_paul_02

 

Not a twitterer/tweeter either (what do you call someone who tweets?).

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meanmistermustard said

Ahhh Girl said

wetsroosa said

meanmistermustard said

Isn't twitter for when we want to ask questions but not get psychically assaulted? 

 Well, I don't have Twitter. Fellow Beatle Biblers, anyone want to take the subject to Sean via Twitter?

I'm out of the woods on this one. No Twitter for me.ahdn_paul_02

 

Not a twitterer/tweeter either (what do you call someone who tweets?).

A twit?  :)

 

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trcanberra said

meanmistermustard said

Ahhh Girl said

wetsroosa said

meanmistermustard said

Isn't twitter for when we want to ask questions but not get psychically assaulted? 

 Well, I don't have Twitter. Fellow Beatle Biblers, anyone want to take the subject to Sean via Twitter?

I'm out of the woods on this one. No Twitter for me.ahdn_paul_02

 

Not a twitterer/tweeter either (what do you call someone who tweets?).

A twit?  :)

 

That works, trcanberra. Or, perhaps tweeter? There's a sweet old dog in my neighborhood named Tweeter. He's older than Twitter.

 

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