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Carnival Of Light
15 November 2011
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My opinion is that Paul should release the "Carnival Of Light" (which it is said to be 15 minutes long and recorded late 1966-early 1967).I don't know for you but i do want so bad this record to come out! A gift for beatle-maniacs!a-hard-days-night-john-6a-hard-days-night-ringo-7a-hard-days-night-george-7a-hard-days-night-paul-3

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15 November 2011
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Paul did want to put it out on Anthology 2 but George would have none of it and refused its inclusion.  It will come out one day but Olivia may keep with George's wishes and insist on it being in the vaults. Paul, Ringo, Olivia and Yoko all have to consent, or have no objections, to a release before anything can begin to happen.

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16 November 2011
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I don't understand why George objected, maybe to show Yoko how he felt about avant garde a clue music. I think Anthology was a much better platform than Paul just releasing it because chances are it's going to be real bad and on Anthology at least it could have sort of blended in to the background, much like What's the New Mary Jane does. I don't think Paul is in a very good position here because he would have to announce its release in some way, but how do you announce whatever the hell Carnival Of Light is supposed to be? Maybe he should just leak it on to the Internet where it will get picked up by hardcore fans but not heard by the masses, which would probably be best for both parties.

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16 November 2011
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Considering Paul has often stated how he was playing around with sound collages, tape loops and all that avant garde stuff  before John, who is most associated with it, its more likely he would want people to know Carnival Of Light as it was his initial idea really. And its not like Paul to leak anything Beatley.

The other question is would Yoko want it released if it showed Paul to be ahead of John in that department? There is still a little ongoing battle between Yoko and Paul.

Maybe they could do a Carnival Of Light/Mary Jane (remix) single - the freaky Beatles.

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16 November 2011
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I don't see why Paul doesn't release it on his own considering it was never meant to be a Beatles' release. That was the explanation George gave when rejecting the Carnival Of Light for the Beatles Anthology. 

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17 November 2011
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Paul simply cant. For any Beatles material he has to get clearance and agreement from Olivia, Ringo and Yoko. If any 1 of them refuse then nothing happens. Same goes if the others want to use any beatles material.

Paul kind of made his own bed at the time of suing the others to break up the beatles partnership when he rightly insisted that the agreement was always if there wasnt a complete consensus then it didnt happen. A key part of Pauls victory. Cant turn around 40 years later and say anything to the contary.

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17 November 2011
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"Carnival Of Light" will see the light of day at some point, it's only a question of when. However, yoko-ono-01, a-hard-days-night-ringo-7, and Olivia Harrison will make sure that day is years and years away. It will be a disappointment when we get to hear it, but, hey, it's still a piece of Beatles history, so who cares? Happy waiting! apple01

17 November 2011
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Paul can release it as a solo single or a track of a solo avant-garde album (though I'm not sure if he'd ever want to do something like this).

a-hard-days-night-paul-6 (The obsticle to release it as a Beatles song is of caurse Olivia, cause I'm certain Yoko would think it's the best song Paul's ever made and Ringo as a Beatle always does what he's told to.)

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17 November 2011
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8What do you think Olivia would have against it?a-hard-days-night-ringo-7

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17 November 2011
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Olivia would be against it in keeping with George's own reservations.

If Paul did release it as a Paul solo recording then i'd imagine he would be open to legal action as it is a beatle recording recorded in 1967 under whatever legal contracts and gentlemens agreements that currently operates. Otherwise Yoko could issue albums of unreleased John beatle era songs under the name of John Lennon.

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19 November 2011
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I have a feeling it's already been heard several times without anyone realising. I bet McCartney's not averse to playing it before shows, at art exhibitions etc. He's spoken in the past of wanting to do so.

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19 November 2011
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Joe said:

I have a feeling it's already been heard several times without anyone realising. I bet McCartney's not averse to playing it before shows, at art exhibitions etc. He's spoken in the past of wanting to do so.

Really? sounds interesting...

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4 May 2013
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Right fellow Biblers (or whatever the collective term for us here is) another Carnival Of Light video has popped up, this time, so far, with a few more yays than nays on its probable authenticity tho that might very well change depending on what more folks say when they hear it. I havent heard it yet.

You may want to prepare yourself for whatever it is youre going to hear if you do listen to it.

And i make no promise or suggestion its the real thing, just posting what i read elsewhere. It could very well be a fake and you very well may lose 14 minutes of your life listening to it and 48 years recovering.

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4 May 2013
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This is the one that I referred to in another place as the latest to crop up and one that Joe, in the main "Songs" section, had commented that he thought it another fake.

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4 May 2013
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I have no idea as i havent looked it into it. I listened to it once and it gave me a headache. Im not going back to it again. It wouldnt surprise if it was another fake.

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5 May 2013
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That's...not terrible, has its interesting moments. Kinda krautrock-y, like early Tangerine Dream or Amon Düül circa 1969. Or Pink Floyd from the same era. I think it sounds like something the Beatles were entirely capable of. And listen to that brief spoken bit at 12:25: That sounds a LOT like John's voice to me! I wish I had a wav file of this so I could listen to all the speeded-up voices slowed down to regular speed, to listen for Scouse-sounding accents.

But unfortunately, starting about the eleven-minute mark, there are several bursts of electronic noise that appear to be the result of a synthesizer with (I think) a sample-and-hold function, or a computerized simulation. And synths weren't available to the Beatles (or practically anybody) in January '67, so I guess this would indeed be another fake, unless they had some other means of producing those sounds, that I'm not aware of. Still, though, of the three "Carnival Of Light" fakes I've heard, this one sounds the most convincing - to my ears, anyways.

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5 May 2013
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Wow, that ''thing'' sure is creepy. I don't know anything about synthesizers but I've read that the organ doesn't really have a melody, and in this video the organ does have a kind of melody that's repeated over and over, doesn't it?

Joe said
I have a feeling it's already been heard several times without anyone realising. I bet McCartney's not averse to playing it before shows, at art exhibitions etc. He's spoken in the past of wanting to do so.

So, if anyone is going to see Paul at some kind of show, you know what to do!

21 March 2014
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The more I think about it, I'm thinking that this song is better left for the vaults.  It's all ready achieved Mythic Status with so few actually hearing it and would likely greatly disappoint if it were ever unveiled to the masses.  Of course, the BeatleFan in me is curious and would be most interested in what they actually came up with on such short notice from Paul, but it's likely nowhere near as "good" as 'Revolution #9' and most have a hard time digesting that one which is "only" 8 minutes.  Out of respect to George's wishes, it should remain a Myth and our imaginations would likely come up with something better than the actual recording anyway.  Probably the best thing about this recording is the title, I mean take John's advice here and "Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream" and you could probably envision a pretty magnificent 'Carnival Of Light' of your own, shouldn't great "art" be open to people's own personal interpretations?  This mythical track that not too many have heard could be the spark to a great many things simply because it's never been released, had it been released all ready it'd probably become just another skipped over CD Track like 'Revolution #9' is for many.

 

The fake that meanmistermustard posted (yes, it's very likely a fake or the video would've been removed by now) is kind of what I'm getting at, people hear the title and are inspired to create something that's quite possibly more listenable than the real thing actually is.  George also had the power to veto 'Los Paranoias' from 'Anthology 3' but didn't so 'Carnival Of Light' must be pretty bad.  This is what I imagine (or hope!) 'Carnival Of Light' to sound like, this was recorded during the same year and is from KPM Music (An EMI Division coincidentally, hmmm...  I wonder...) and was used in the 1960's 'Animated Spider-Man Series'   http://www.televisiontunes.com.....ulter.html   but I think if it sounded this good George wouldn't have been so opposed to its release...:-)  

 

 

22 March 2014
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I'd like to be able to hear the real thing someday (as opposed to the obvious fakes that pop up every once in awhile), but I'm not holding my breath. There has been quite a bit of hype built up about it, but, the thing is, if they've gone this long without releasing it, then it's probably not very good. Also, if it was released, I don't know how they would release it. They would probably have to do build another whole Anthology-type disc around it, as it certainly would not work as a single.

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22 March 2014
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The few people who've heard and described it publicly - such as Lewisohn, Ian McDonald and Barry Miles - to me have gone out of their way to find euphemisms for "piece of crap." So I have little interest in hearing it.

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