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Are we witnessing the final generation of Beatles fans?
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16 July 2013
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One of the OP's premises he uses to construct his argument is flawed: 

"As the history of the Beatles begins to become akin to Tchaikovsky and Mozart, we need to be introspective.

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It's easy to say that good music will live forever, but does anyone *really* know everything by Beethoven by heart?"

In fact, fandom of various classical greats (the ones mentioned above and many more) remains thriving.  Think of all the symphony orchestras and chamber music groups continuing to perform their music in every city of the world; think of the societies, associations, and schools and colleges funding and promoting their music.  Not to mention all the continued record sales of same.  If fandom of the Beatles will have this same degree of success 300 years after 1969, it will hardly be lights out and cause for sadness.

In addition, the analogy has the problem that classical music continues to thrive through the institution and culture of musicians re-performing it, generation after generation.  Beatles music mostly continues to thrive among its fan base through re-listening -- with the spectacular exception of one single Beatle, Paul, who has been for decades now re-performing the music. 

After Paul passes away (as all things must, George reminded us), the flame will be cultivated pretty much exclusively through re-listening, not re-performing -- unless by some serendipitous miracle a band rises up dedicated to re-performing Beatles music and becomes wildly popular in doing so.

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16 July 2013
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16 July 2013
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Nah, so long as there are people around, there will always be inquisitive people. People searching for something whether it be ideas, books, films, clothes, thoughts or music. People will always  listen to Beatles music as they have reached "legendary" status just as Elvis has done. Growing up you hear of these people; Elvis, Beatles, JFK, Lincoln, Shakespeare etc. and you learn what they are famous for. Take for example my school (about 500 students aged between 12-18) I can bet you that everyone of them will know of The Beatles hell they may not know the name of the members in the band but they know who they are and they know some of their songs.

I can tell you now that if I ever have children, they will be raised with Beatles music in their ears. My 4 year old cousin loves the Help! album and tells me to play that every time she comes over to my house. I got my friends into The Beatles and they know quite a bit about their history just from listening to me. People will always be listening to the lads' music. As a couple of ye said above ^ When Paul and Ringo are gone from this life, radios will be playing their songs, tribute concerts will be held and likely broadcast, albums will undoubtedly be rereleased in mass production and a new generation of fans will be born  and the circle will continue.

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17 July 2013
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Am I about to throw a hand grenade into this discussion? Freaky ideas in my head...

My first thought was to argue with a point previously made:

Funny Paper said
In addition, the analogy has the problem that classical music continues to thrive through the institution and culture of musicians re-performing it, generation after generation.  Beatles music mostly continues to thrive among its fan base through re-listening -- with the spectacular exception of one single Beatle, Paul, who has been for decades now re-performing the music. 

After Paul passes away (as all things must, George reminded us), the flame will be cultivated pretty much exclusively through re-listening, not re-performing -- unless by some serendipitous miracle a band rises up dedicated to re-performing Beatles music and becomes wildly popular in doing so.

I was going to argue that, with their own interpretation, generation after generation have been re-performing The Beatles music. We call them cover versions, and a song like Yesterday has been covered by more people than any other, and it's likely that every Beatles song has been covered at least once. So, in that way, The Beatles as composers stay alive.

After all, though they have the written scores to work from, it cannot be said that any classical performance of a "historical" piece is exactly as the composer first instructed the orchestra to play it.

But then I got this article from Ultimate Classic Rock about how Jason Bonham is hoping to be able to do a drum duet with a holographic version of his father.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com.....-hologram/

And I was reminded of this:

How long will it be before you can feed every existing piece of a musician playing, every piece of footage of them moving, and come up with an almost "autonomous" hologram of them?

How long before we have holographic Beatles performing Sgt. Pepper, The White Album and Abbey Road - maybe with a holographic George Martin to play the additional sounds on a synthesiser - across the world?

Just a thought.

 

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17 July 2013
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I think the whole holographic show thing will come about eventually, there was a show on ITV recently under the "An Audience with.." brand name that had a Les Dawson featured.  Personally I find the whole concept cheap, tacky and disrespectful (that person cant say yes or no to what they are appearing in/on), might as well get the license for James Stewart's image and put him in a new movie opposite Hugh Grant and Selena Gomez.

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18 July 2013
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meanmistermustard said
I think the whole holographic show thing will come about eventually, there was a
show on ITV recently under the "An Audience with.." brand name that had a Les Dawson featured.  Personally I find the whole concept cheap, tacky and disrespectful (that person cant say yes or no to what they are appearing in/on), might as well get the license for James Stewart's image and put him in a new movie opposite Hugh Grant and Selena Gomez.

The 1992 film The Mambo Kings was a story about Cuban-American musicians in the late 1950s.  In one scene, the actors Armand Assante and Antonio Banderas appeared on the (then) popular TV show I Love Lucy -- and through the magic of 1992 cinematography (they could do a lot more today) they had Assante and Banderas actually interacting with and talking with a 1950s Lucille Ball.  Interestingly, they chose to have Desi Arnaz Sr.'s son, Desi Arnaz Jr., play his own father (because his dialogue in the script demanded it).

I think a couple of other movies have already done similar things.

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18 July 2013
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John made an appearance in Forrest Gump. Here's how they did it followed by the clip. I do like how Forrest tells how John was shot; straight and simple to the point.

 

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18 July 2013
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I'd also like to add that I see people under 18 wearing Beatles t-shirts all the time. Alongside that, they have a continuing prevalence and popularity in music stores. Only two days ago I went into HMV and there was a specific Beatles section with all the albums on display, as well as books such as Revolution in the Head, films, mugs, posters and coasters; last time I went into the giant HMV in Oxford Circus the entire back of the store had been turned completely into a Beatles section with all of those things and more, a veritable nirvana of Beatles merchandise. Maybe I'm being hyperbolic in saying that it's like Beatlemania is still alive and kicking. But correct me if I'm wrong - no other band commands that amount of publicity, attention and respect. Not a single one. Some people may prefer the Stones but I've yet to see a good quarter of the biggest music shop in London devoted to them.

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