The Beatles Bible - Topic: An allegory of the Lennon/McCartney symbiosis & synergy -- and of their "break-up" http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/ Simple:Press Version 5.2.6 meanmistermustard on An allegory of the Lennon/McCartney symbiosis & synergy -- and of their "break-up" http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60271 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60271 Paul was very controlling over most things Wings related and that caused issues between himself and other members leading to some quitting plus he has built up a very prolific business empire worth hundred of millions. Plus you could say John was very passive with all things related to Yoko thru-out the 70's.

Again even if its outside of the beatles era you cant put people in a bracket and say this is them, no person works to a forumula. Undoubtedly John and Paul had different personalities, fitted beautifully together as a friendship and partnership, and offered different aspects to the beatles but you cant ...]]> Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:23:46 +0000 Funny Paper on An allegory of the Lennon/McCartney symbiosis & synergy -- and of their "break-up" http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60255 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60255

meanmistermustard said
You cant put John into this category and Paul into this as thats not how people are.

Paul was very capable of taking command and to be in the beatles you couldnt be passive. You cant call Paul passive when he stood up to the other 3 beatles when he believed, correctly they were being screwed by Klein; his refusal to sign caused a huge division between the 4. It would have been easier to bend and give in. 

And John had a very tender, loving side to his character.

That's what I said in my reply to kedame above.  I'm not saying Paul -- ...]]> Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:37:05 +0000 meanmistermustard on An allegory of the Lennon/McCartney symbiosis & synergy -- and of their "break-up" http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60254 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60254 You cant put John into this category and Paul into this as thats not how people are.

Paul was very capable of taking command and to be in the beatles you couldnt be passive. You cant call Paul passive when he stood up to the other 3 beatles when he believed, correctly they were being screwed by Klein; his refusal to sign caused a huge division between the 4. It would have been easier to bend and give in. 

And John had a very tender, loving side to his character.

]]> Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:31:30 +0000 Funny Paper on An allegory of the Lennon/McCartney symbiosis & synergy -- and of their "break-up" http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60253 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60253

kedame said
I think most people who have worked with Paul would probably argue that he has lots of the "bad Kirk" qualities, such as bossiness (ask George), controlling tendencies (again, ask George), and ego (according to George M.).

While interesting, I feel this scenario plays right into the old trope that Paul was the soft, good guy, while John was the badass, edgy guy. They could both be both, I think.

I watched the 2009 Star Trek movie around the time I started listening to The Beatles, and I always saw Paul as Kirk and John as Spock.

Yes, but my ...]]> Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:22:46 +0000 kedame on An allegory of the Lennon/McCartney symbiosis & synergy -- and of their "break-up" http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60247 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60247 I think most people who have worked with Paul would probably argue that he has lots of the "bad Kirk" qualities, such as bossiness (ask George), controlling tendencies (again, ask George), and ego (according to George M.).

While interesting, I feel this scenario plays right into the old trope that Paul was the soft, good guy, while John was the badass, edgy guy. They could both be both, I think.

I watched the 2009 Star Trek movie around the time I started listening to The Beatles, and I always saw Paul as Kirk and John as Spock.

]]> Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:59:38 +0000 Funny Paper on An allegory of the Lennon/McCartney symbiosis & synergy -- and of their "break-up" http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60236 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/an-allegory-of-the-lennonmccartney-symbiosis-synergy-and-of-their-break-up/#p60236 I couldn't post this topic in the Lennon section, or in the McCartney section, since I'm referring to a certain level on which the two of them were fused in artistic synergy, during those "golden years".

 

The allegory my title refers to may make some of you chuckle with amusement.  There was an old Star Trek episode (from the original series) where Captain Kirk gets split into two Kirks -- a good Kirk, and a bad Kirk.  The problem with the good Kirk, however, was that although he had qualities of kindness and intelligence, he was too wimpy and passive and ...]]> Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:10:46 +0000