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A Hello and a Question.
25 February 2012
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Lozhazie
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Hi all, 

I came across this site while in search of an answer. 

First Let me Introduce to you….

Im Lozhazie, a keen Beatles Fan for the NW of the uk. 28 yrs old.

I inherited a mirror from a family member and I have been trying to date it. I have contacted some dealers, but seeing as it wasn't a sale the only response I have gotten back is. "Sorry we are not interested in your item."

My Beatles Mirror

Mirror 2

 

Can Any one help me date it?

Thanks all in advance, Lozhazie

Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans - John Lennon
25 February 2012
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The picture of the mirror is, I'd say, 1963, maybe 1964. As for when the mirror was made, I'll check, and if anything comes up, I'll tell you.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
25 February 2012
5.45pm
Lozhazie
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Thank you, Muchly Appreciated :)

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25 February 2012
10.41pm
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The picture looks like it may have come from this session

 <- even this photo reversed.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
25 February 2012
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The picture is from the very early years, 1962-1963.

The mirror itself could be from any time in the last 50 years. You'd practically have to take the mirror apart and test the paper, ink, etc…  to see if it's d'epoque.

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26 February 2012
1.59pm
Lozhazie
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Ok, there were some technical terms in there that I didn't understand.

I can Narrow it down to between 1983 and 1962.

As for taking the mirror apart, that sounds hard as it's literally just a white back on the mirror the picture is on the other side of that. No paper.

Also thanks MeanMister, I now know that its from the Love Me Do photo shoot. See weeks of trying to contact dealers and squat two days on here and I already know more than I did.

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26 February 2012
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Lozhazie said

 

"As for taking the mirror apart, that sounds hard as it's literally just a white back on the mirror the picture is on the other side of that. No paper."

 

Lozhazie, you're right. It's rather difficult. But that's the problem with collectables. How do you know?

Beatle memorabilia has gotten very pricey; it's very cost-effective for people to create fakes – fake insofar as to claim that it's an "original" dating back to the 60s.

Since Beatle-related items have been created continuously for 50 years, how does one tell which decade a given item is from?

There needs to be something about that item that would have been of that era.

When there's ink, you can analyze the ink, etc… Or maybe the mirror was created using a technique that's now outdated.

On the other hand, an item can be scarce; perhaps there are very few Beatle mirrors of this type, and it's valuable regardless of when it was created.

I don't know anything about mirrors, but these days on the Internet you might find someone making mirrors who could assist you on that.

Let us know where this goes!!!

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26 February 2012
2.47pm
Lozhazie
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I Completely agree, I had another look at the back of the mirror to see if anything was an Identifyable mark. turns out its red paint on the back. 

If I come across anything at all I'll keep you all updated.

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26 February 2012
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I'd say, off hand, if it's authentic it's probably 1964, a mirror made to be sold at the American concerts, or just in general stores. And they were probably sold in the UK as well, because they were selling so well in the States. I'm not positive, but in 1964, they were selling everything Beatley.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
26 February 2012
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lol much like today, where you can pay £10 for 9 pieces of printed A4 paper of your favourite reality failure.

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26 February 2012
5.51pm
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Well I have had a reply from a dealer via Email which goes thusly:

Thank you for your enquiry. I will be happy to assist you if I can. The mirror is of little interest to Beatles Memorabilia dealers and collectors because it is fairly modern. That is; it is post 1960s, which is the period we are mainly interested in, because this was when the Beatles were still together and recording. 
It could have been produced at any time between the 1970s and the present day…

So that closes the date range between 1970 to 1983 (taken with a pinch of salt of course.

The Search continues…
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27 February 2012
3.44pm
Lozhazie
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I'm Beginning to think the only way to find anything out about this is to put it up for sale. 

It's the only way any one is going to show interest. I have had about 5 different emails saying the same thing because I wasn't going to sell.

>.< Ah well… I suppose not everyone can be polite.

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27 February 2012
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This is not about the actual mirror above.

Was looking online for the mirror above (no joy at all) and came across a site that sells beatle memorabilia. Its selling a beatles mirror for £260 and i have the very same mirror!!! Was given it as a gift when helping someone empty a flat. I thought it was a worthless. This is the one:

 

Right. Back to the search. I thought you could find anything online. I was mislead.

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27 February 2012
4.54pm
Lozhazie
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Thats Awesome!!!! Not bad for a days work.

 

My Dads was asking today how the search was going, I told him slow and aggravating. He then produced some magazines and a post card for me to sell. The magazines are from the 20th anniversary etc and the post card is again dated 1963 but That could just be the date of the picture. I have no Idea about how to post these up for sale… 

 

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27 February 2012
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1) To get a sense of value, you can go online auctions (eBay being the biggest) and see what this type of material is selling for.

There is also a book out there (if not more than one) that gives values for Beatle memorabilia.

It also lists some of the fakes out there (such as a "vintage" tray I bought 15 years ago that has a 50-50 chance of being fake…)

2) Put it on eBay yourself, and if at least 2 people are interested, you're off to the races.

3) Don't sell each thing individually (i.e. each magazine). Sell the whole thing as a lot. Someone could be interested in one particular item in that lot.

 

When you sell/buy something at auction, the price is entirely dependent on how many people are interested THAT DAY (or that week).

As some of you on BB Forum have already heard, I wanted a ticket stub from the Beatles' '64 Kansas City concert. The first time, it went for $850. Needless to say, I dropped out early.

But a similar item came around 2 years later, and I got it fo $50. So you never know.

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27 February 2012
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I think ebay is as simple as starting an account, taking pictures on a camera, and then uploading them with a few details, and ebay would probably have an easy how to start guide.  

 

Shouldnt be too difficult getting information on the magazines. Or you can contact a seller/collector in person or online. The Beatles Book Monthly editions are all over the web and as an example this site lists issues from 1986 to 2000 for sale for £4 each but there are tons of sites that will held you gain an idea.

As for the other books have a look online to find a good going rate, there are also books that would help you get an idea of what price they go for. I dont really know of exact titles but someone here will be able to recommend one im sure, if you want to go down that path.

And good luck.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
27 February 2012
8.43pm
Lozhazie
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Thanks for the advice,

 

I have listed them on two sites so we shall see how they fair.

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28 February 2012
10.27am
Lozhazie
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If anyone is Interested in looking at one of the site I have listed. 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2609…..500wt_1413

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