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A cliche question with a twist.. Will there ever be another Beatles?
19 May 2010
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Ok before you say no, let me explain this. And yes, you can roll your eyes while reading a-hard-days-night-paul-11

It's impossible to have another Beatles again. (Not even if we clone them. Check The boys from Brazil )

But what if there are 4 kids over there so talented, that they are able to create music that 40 years later would be hailed as classic? Is that possible?

 

I would say no for one reason : The evolution the Beatles had in a short span of time. I'm not saying that nobody else can evolve that way, but I don't see any record label letting such expansion in a band or singer.

Can you imagine a music executive accepting a Tomorrow Never Knows when your previous album had Girl or Michelle? just to say an example) and truly promoting it? Or allowing a singer to change a style that sells millions? I can imagine a record label asking the Beatles today "Ok, can you make another Yesterday?". (or maybe they were asked, I don't know)

So here's my idea. Crazy or silly maybe..

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19 May 2010
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Not a silly question at all!

I would have to say: no.

For (no) one, (tee hee- see what I did there? No? ...a-hard-days-night-paul-1)  I don't think the music that is considered popular or relevant today could ever be considered "classic." The lyrics are simply too juvenile and ineloquent and even too dirty to last. (Hmm, though I wonder if people thought this same thing initially with WDWDIITR?)
Second, the kind of talent required for this calibre of classic music seems like too much for musicians in this generation could ever achieve; they could imitate it, yes, but come up with it? Creativity is running short these days... how often do we hear "new" songs with choruses and melodies of old songs with rapping thrown in? (Ugh.)

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19 May 2010
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The answer is no just because it's a completely different time. It's all about image now, back then people heard the Beatles before they saw them, now it seems like it's the other way around. Sure there were plenty of "teeny-boppers" who screamed at the very sight of the four boys, but the reason the Beatles are still as relevent today as they were back then is because of the music. I think that there is plenty of good music out right now, it's just not being played on the radio and you have to search to find it. I can't stand popular music right now. Everytime I go out to a bar, I hear this song that just repeats the word "shot" over and over again and I just can't believe what I'm listening to, but I look around and the people are dancing to it. It's just crazy!

I hope there could be another Beatles, it would be great! But in reality, with the way the culture has changed with TV and video games and cell phones, there just aren't enough people that really care about good music. I'm just grateful that four boys from out of Liverpool were able to change the world and shape generation after generation.

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19 May 2010
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Alissa said:

(Hmm, though I wonder if people thought this same thing initially with WDWDIITR?)


 

 

 

 Why Don't We Do It In The Road?? Hehe, classic:) I sang that in front of my male math teacher(used as a smart alec answer to his question, "Any questions, kids?"), and I got sent to the office.a-hard-days-night-ringo-2

So if it is considered dirty now, then it was considered dirty then.

Anyways, back on topic. Answer to your question, Mithvean? NO. Heck no. The Jonas Brothers tried it and it was an EPIC FAILURE. They sang "Hello, Goodbye" and copied their "running" picture....FAIL. But I really can't blame them for trying. I mean who wouldn't want to copy or try to be like the Beatles?a-hard-days-night-george-2 

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20 May 2010
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It's possible but unlikely.  It's possible because there are certainly gifted musicians out there waiting to be discovered.  It's unlikely because the interests of the public are spread so thin across a thousand different media. No single act or performer is capable of capturing the imagination of the larger public so swiftly.

In 1964, Americans watched 3 TV networks, ABC, NBC, and CBS.  That was IT.  Radio was regional, but was entirely AM.  The Beatles literally blew up in the faces of the nation on the Ed Sullivan Show.  The stories of this funny-looking group of kids captivating Britain had made their way across the ocean, so EVERYONE tuned in to see what all the ruckus was about when Ed put them on the air. 

That was just the beginning of the phenomenon, though.  The Beatles were literally the four most recognizable faces on the planet, a little more than a year after releasing their first single.  But they became iconic by accepting that status and then pushing the boundaries of music almost every time they addressed it right up until they finally called it quits.  Pushing it, hell...a few times they absolutely destroyed the boundaries. 

So that's why it's unlikely.  There will be artists that outsell the Beatles by a huge margin...that's happened many times.  But that in itself is a tribute to the Beatles.  They actually created the vast, global market for popular music that exists today.  But that market has become so fragmented, it's almost impossible for someone to stitch it all back together like they did and then dominate it and expand it.

20 May 2010
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The way you explain it, Celebrated_Mr_K, the Beatles pretty much saved the world from complete boredom.a-hard-days-night-john-1

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20 May 2010
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Great answers everybody, thank you so much!!

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20 May 2010
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Sunii said:


 Why Don't We Do It In The Road?? Hehe, classic:) I sang that in front of my male math teacher(used as a smart alec answer to his question, "Any questions, kids?"), and I got sent to the office.a-hard-days-night-ringo-2

 


LOL! What did the office say? I can imagine that would be pretty awkward. How old is your teacher?
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20 May 2010
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In his book Outliers, Malcolm Gladwell puts forward the theory that it takes a person or group around (I think) 10,000 hours of work to become truly great. He cites The Beatles in Hamburg as an example. Studies have certainly suggested that tennis players, future chess grand masters etc can be hothoused from an early age to be among the best in their field.

I like the theory. The trouble with today's music industry is that fewer people have a chance to grow. Musicians are signed when they're young - around 16, 17, 18, and encouraged to have hits straight away, with heavy marketing campaigns and expectations of doing well. If they don't they're dropped. Some record labels are better at nurturing talent (interestingly EMI has a good record of doing this, although I'm not sure whether it's the same since Terra Firma took over), but most are short-sighted and looking for quick profits.

So, I think it's possible for a band to come up with a body of work as great as The Beatles' again, but the conditions would have to be remarkable. Plus think of all the other non-musical achievements they made: changing the way people dressed, spoke, behaved, believed. I very much doubt one group could change all those things again. The 1960s was a bit of a blank canvas ready for change; now we live in more sophisticated times.

"But what if there are 4 kids over there so talented, that they are able
to create music that 40 years later would be hailed as classic? Is that
possible?" Yes, absolutely. There's music other than The Beatles' from that time that's considered classic today, and some stuff from today will be hailed as classic in years to come. I wouldn't want to suggest what it'll be though.

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20 May 2010
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Paul McCartney said:

LOL! What did the office say? I can imagine that would be pretty awkward. How old is your teacher?


 

I got in-school suspension(detention). Oh and my teacher is like 45 and me and my friends pick on him that he is a pedophile because he has no wife.a-hard-days-night-john-6

We are such bad people..

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Hey, listen, I hate to get all moralistic, but please don't be so tough on him – comments like that might really affect him in ways you don't realise.

I know of someone who was recently arrested and bailed because someone made a groundless accusation about him abusing kids. I wouldn't wish that on anyone who didn't deserve it.

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20 May 2010
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Joe said:

Hey, listen, I hate to get all moralistic, but please don't be so tough on him – comments like that might really affect him in ways you don't realise.

I know of someone who was recently arrested and bailed because someone made a groundless accusation about him abusing kids. I wouldn't wish that on anyone who didn't deserve it.


 

Ditto. I'm a teacher, and  I have seen how very simple comments from students can hurt a teacher badly, trust me. And about your teacher not being married, well, I'm forty, I'm single, and I'm a teacher. That doesn't mean I'm a bad person :)

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21 May 2010
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mithveaen said:  

Ditto. I'm a teacher, and  I have seen how very simple comments from students can hurt a teacher badly, trust me. And about your teacher not being married, well, I'm forty, I'm single, and I'm a teacher. That doesn't mean I'm a bad person :)


 

Sorry, if I offended you. I'm just a really bad student and get in trouble a lot... 

He got fired a few months ago, never figured out why though.

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21 May 2010
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Sunii said:

mithveaen said:  

Ditto. I'm a teacher, and  I have seen how very simple comments from students can hurt a teacher badly, trust me. And about your teacher not being married, well, I'm forty, I'm single, and I'm a teacher. That doesn't mean I'm a bad person :)


 

Sorry, if I offended you. I'm just a really bad student and get in trouble a lot... 

 


 

Don't worry about it :)

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