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White Album Lovers...Anyone?
24 May 2014
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LikeASir said
It still ceases to amaze me how George let Eric Clapton play on WMGGW even though he took his wife! Although it seemed to me George wasn't too fussed about it all.

I thought Eric didn't take Patty until the late 70s...but George took it with maturity beyond his years.  Given his spirituality, love for both of them, and realization that if Eric and Patty were in love, he was out of luck, I'm not surprised by the way he handled it (and I'm sure there were some tough times that aren't publicized).

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Matt Busby said

LikeASir said
It still ceases to amaze me how George let Eric Clapton play on WMGGW even though he took his wife! Although it seemed to me George wasn't too fussed about it all.

I thought Eric didn't take Patty until the late 70s...but George took it with maturity beyond his years.  Given his spirituality, love for both of them, and realization that if Eric and Patty were in love, he was out of luck, I'm not surprised by the way he handled it (and I'm sure there were some tough times that aren't publicized).

*ooh, a white house concert celebrating soul, with Aretha, Melissa Etheridge, and many others - White Album (2nd time today) goes on pause a-hard-days-night-george-10

Yeah, it wasn't until the 70's. Something was written for Pattie and Abbey Road was the last album they recorded. Two albums after the White One.

Even if it had happened then, George was very mature about it and they still had a strong friendship, so I don't think it would have been different.

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24 May 2014
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George went to the wedding, so it seems like he handled it extremely maturely. I certainly wouldn't have attended my ex wife's wedding to my best friend. 

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I couldn't have either. Especially if it was someone I loved a lot; like George loving Pattie.

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24 May 2014
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Based on various articles/books etc., that I've read, it seems that George was ambivalent about a lot of things - and this is part of what drove Pattie into Eric's arms - remembering that Eric relentlessly pursued her.

My sense is that George spent a lot of time stoned and/or meditating and away from Pattie and the world. I think he spirituality is way over dramatized - he was spiritual but wasn't as cosmic as made out to be - in my opinion. George was the most money/material conscious of all of them - a clothes horse and a car fanatic - all very "material desires".

Add to that the fact that he was a notorious skirt chaser (Olivia references this as does Pattie) plus he slept with Ringo's wife Maureen - probably more than once - add to that this was the '60's & 70's - and I get the feeling that George wasn't passionate about much at that time (other than his own music).

I know some will disagree - the beauty of the forum.

And for the record I am huge Harrison fan. And I have been since 1964.

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26 May 2014
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Now that we've agreed George was a tremendous dude regardless of his negative points...to weigh in on topic:

I remembered much of the White Album since it's release, when I was about 4, because my dad played the Beatles incessantly.  But I just remembered individual songs.  Lately I've been listening to the whole album straight through, and it's shot up my list of favorite albums...and is now about equal to let it be, tied for third after Sgt Pepper's (gotta give it the nod) and Abbey Road.  I really like the way it flows...it's got it's animal section a-hard-days-night-george-10 and there's like a hard rock number followed by a silly ditty like Martha My Dear followed by something primal...the deeply personal Julia.  It ebbs and flows well.  I kinda like it as a double album tbh.  I suppose we could have lived without a few of the songs when you look at the entire canon, but i think they all have their little (or big) place on the White Album.  I don't know that I can think of any song I'd have wanted on it instead of something.  And the album has my least favorite beatles song (helter skelter) but some of my favorites (WMGGW, Dear Prudence, Glass Onion, well i find i'm going to list just about all of them so let's just leave it at that a-hard-days-night-george-10

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26 May 2014
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robert said
Based on various articles/books etc., that I've read, it seems that George was ambivalent about a lot of things - and this is part of what drove Pattie into Eric's arms - remembering that Eric relentlessly pursued her.

<snip>

And for the record I am huge Harrison fan. And I have been since 1964.

Yeah, now that you mention it, he did write Layla around 1970 if memory serves me...

And for the record, so am I, but only since I got old enough to grasp the concept of rock and roll in about 1969 a-hard-days-night-george-10

I've always thought it a bit ironic that Eric played on While My Guitar Gently Weeps when George's guitar "weeped" more than Eric, who was wailing the blues at that point. Although they both had many of the same influences, compare "Something" with "Further on Down the Road". both written in 1968 or so.  I think we can all agree that Eric's guitar was weeping on that song :)

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For me, the top three Beatles albums vary (seeing as they are all incredible). Currently my order stands at: 1) The White Album, 2) Abbey Road, and 3) Pepper. The White Album features some of the best individually influenced works from each of the Beatles. Also has one of my constant favorite songs, Dear Prudence.

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Welcome to the Beatles Bible, @ryanhall0824.

I heart Dear Prudence also. You may like this thread about the song. http://www.beatlesbible.com/fo.....-prudence/ . There's a link to Joe's blog page about the song at the top of that thread.

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For me, the top three Beatles albums vary (seeing as they are all incredible). Currently my order stands at: 1) The White Album, 2) Abbey Road, and 3) Pepper. The White Album features some of the best individually influenced works from each of the Beatles. Also has one of my constant favorite songs, Dear Prudence.

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27 December 2014
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White Album is the one which I can never fully be too familiar with,If you asked me to name all the songs off the top of my head I wouldn't be able to do it,that is what makes it always an interesting listen.It's old but new at the same time.Though personally I prefer a consistent to the point albums,ideally 34-44 minutes is perfect in my mind(at least for pop rock).

 

Maybe we can do an experiment in the future and let people who have not heard this album but enjoy other latter era Beatles albums,listen to the custom single disc fan made playlist and ask them how they would rank it,then a few days later give them the proper double album and ask them which do they prefer.

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Of the 12 studio albums, I divide my Beatles favorites* into two phases...

The Beatlemania Years ~ 1962 to 1965

1. With the Beatles

2. Rubber Soul

3. Help!

The Psychedelic Years ~ 1966 to 1970

1. Sgt. Pepper

2. Abbey Road

3. White Album

* Generally speaking, my favorite Beatles album is the one I'm listening to.

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emmybear said
My uncle thinks the White Album is bad, and my dad doesn't like over half the songs on it a-hard-days-night-ringo-6, so I was just curios if ANYONE besides me thinks The White Album is at least in the top 3 of The Beatles best albums they ever made?

It'd be in my top three, with Abbey Road and either Rubber Soul or Let it Be.  I try to enjoy as much of the album sequentially at a time as I can, so the not so great material gets tossed in with the brilliant stuff--a perfect period piece.  BTW I like Revolution 9 a lot more than Rocky Raccoon or even USSR.

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2 March 2015
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I know I've already weighed in on this topic, but I just can't say enough about it. I absolutely love sides 1&2.  Sides 3&4 not so much.  Still the album runs a close 4th for me (sometimes tied with Rubber Soul (Revolver, Sgt. Pepper's, Abbey Road take turns as my favorite, so I usually list them as tied for 1st).  I particularly like the recurring animal themes, and the way the mood of the songs varies and flow one into the other is great - I really can't imagine a better order for the songs. The start, Back In The USSR fading into Dear Prudence is just beautiful (but then Dear Prudence is one of my favorite songs).  Besides that one, the album has a lot of really great songs...

So count me in as a White Album lover :)

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VeraChuckDave said 
* Generally speaking, my favorite Beatles album is the one I'm listening to.

Personally I just cannot have a fav LP, as they are all good in their way (except for Yellow Sub),  and have to say the 1973 EMI Red & Blue greatest hits are my fav, since most of those songs aren't even on original UK Beatles LP. (not counting Past Masters).

Imagine how much better each album would have been with those 45's on them!!!!! beatlemaniacs_02_gif 

I do however LUV the White Album very much, and is one of my top Beatles LPs, and am glad george-martin didn't talk them into making it a single LP.

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I know I've already weighed in on this topic, but I just can't say enough about it. I absolutely love sides 1&2.  Sides 3&4 not so much. 

What do you mean side 3 & 4?  MY CDs can only play 1 side! a-hard-days-night-paul-11

I'm so anal, that when I downloaded my CD's into iTunes, I even set it up for 4 sides just like the LP! apple02

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As some of you may know, the White Album is not my favourite. There's an element of fragmentation to it. It sounds like a band falling apart (which it is). But I'm learning to like it; I play it when I'm feeling adventurous. 

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* Generally speaking, my favourite Beatles album is the one I'm listening to.

Same here! Every time I try to decide whether Revolver or Rubber Soul is my favourite, I go and listen to A Hard Day's Night or Abbey Road (or Help! or Sgt Pepper's) and I am thrown into confusion yet again. It'll be even worse when I finally acquire With The Beatles and Beatles For Sale

So I finally just have it down to: 

1. Revolver 

1 & 1/2. Everything else 

Really, in the end, it all depends on what you feel like. Some days I just go, Today is one of those Hard Day's Night days. And other times I Will think, I need some Revolver in my system. I even have White Album days (like I said above, when I'm feeling adventurous). 

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3 March 2015
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I do love the White Album. I agree, it doesn't have the cohesion of Revolver and Sgt Peppers but then few of their albums really did. Rubber Soul, as we've been discussing in another thread, is a difficult album to sequence; you've got songs that are similar-sounding and a few in similar keys and tempos. Abbey Road is literally an A/B sided thing, and production is the outstanding aural characteristic of Let It Be and the albums preceding Rubber Soul.

The White Album is where a lot of production varies wildly, yet they backed right off some of their favourite tools: ADT, Leslie vocals, the drum miking was changed, people began playing different instruments a lot (not just because Ringo left for a bit), and playing their instruments differently. I see it as an important transitional album, which often means a difficult one. There are hints of both the following albums in it: the basic rock and roll of Let It Be and the eclectic fragments of Abbey Road. It has also fragments of the past albums, notably Rubber Soul and Revolver, you could say the chief characteristic of the White Album is that it is anti-psychedelic. Martha My Dear comes right out of 1966, but is a lot simpler in arrangement, without all the massive tracking and distortion. Savoy Truffle comes from the same era with horns recalling Good Morning Good Morning but this is serious RnB territory. Even I Will wouldn't be out of place on Rubber Soul and quite possibly earlier.

So what comes across to me about it is that it's floating outside the norms of a 60's pop album, and it's a truer picture of the songwriting styles and approaches by the band than at any other time because it's not trying to have an overarching theme or production style to it. It's got them looking backward and forward and at the same time it's just pure songcraft here. The White Album maps out such a range of pop/rock sensibilities that its difficult to remember its just one band in the 60's with thousands of bands writing pop/rock around them, and it's not everything possible. It's the Beatles Reality Distortion Field in action! The White Album was a signal to everyone that they could do the same thing too (and they did...a lot).

Is it too much? Could we lose some filler? Sure, maybe. There's about 5 songs I could stand to put to one side on an EP or B-sides, I still wouldn't trash them. Mostly Paul songs, an astonishing amount of filler from him compared to the great stuff he also contributed. John's singing on the album is just too good to pass anything up. Some of his most defining work is here, but his performance is the riveting thing about it. George bursts out of the gate with some crackers too, Piggies still makes me laugh. And Ringo, well I love Don't Pass Me By because hey its Ringo and I love every goofy minute of it except that darn fiddle. OK enough ranting from me. The White Album, fits any mood you have and is really good when you're down. 5 out of 5 herrings from me.

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Great post, but what prejudice do you have against bluegrass fiddle, @ewe2 ? :)

It's true that there are a handful (big or small, depending) of filler tracks, many agree. But for me, the fact that they're easier to hide on a 90+ minute album mitigates that. And those filler tracks combine with all the album's general raggedness-of-production and attempt at many varied styles (Beach Boys, ska, Stockhausen) make the lack of concept into a concept of its own: a blank-white canvas anti-concept. Like the Beatles are just saying "Look at all the things we can do"

Oh, and there's too damn much Paulie on Side Two and not enough Paul (and no animals!) on Side Four. This is not good. Still, a (low) 5/5

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