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Where Does "Cry Baby Cry" End?
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meanmistermustard said
That video of Can You Take Me Back is not complete, the full performance runs for 2 minutes 21 seconds.

yes,fade in on the beginning

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Ahh, I love Can You Take Me Back. I count it as separate, though.

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mja6758 said
I think this may depend on your definition of rills and their definition. I refer to the recording sheet for the first assembly of Sgt. Pepper here (slightly different track-listing to the final LP but same instructions). Both sides are listed as "No Rills" with this note added at the end, to make the instruction clear to the cutting engineer, "No gaps between items - Ends of die-away joined to following item - as per G. Martin". A rill, strictly speaking, is a period of silence separating two tracks that is cut slightly wider to allow a listener to navigate the disc. That cutting engineers, Porky in particular, found a way to mark the end of track by cutting the groove slightly wider at that point while still having it carry sound does not make it a rill as they understood one. That the definition changed slightly over time to take in their innovation, and its use by others, does not change their meaning at the time. As to Her Majesty, of course it looks different to how the gap looks for Helter Skelter - Helter Skelter did not have a 17 second gap before it faded back in. And, if you have an original copy of Abbey Road, just as Can You Take Me Back is not listed on The White Album, Her Majesty was not listed on Abbey Road.

Yes, I understand rills and all that, but my copies of Sgt. Pepper and the White Album have rills in all the places you said there weren't. Maybe it's because they're later pressings and they're American. When I said that the Her Majesty rill looked different from the fade out of Helter Skelter, I meant that it simply looked to be of a much different luster-- something that cannot be changed by the length of the silence. I'm not sure, though, as I grew up in the CD age. I've only had a few years experience with vinyl while you've probably had your whole life.

One last point-- (as Joe said) Can You Take Me Back was used on the Love CD and was listed as part of Cry Baby Cry, meaning that George Martin considers it to be a part of CBC.

But we'll never agree on this point. It's just another great thing about the Beatles. Their music is so... enigmatic.

Her Majesty Not Included In The Disc Appearing As Hidden Bonus (The First In The Story), Ends Abrupt Because Appears Originnally Between Mean Mister Mustard (The Song Of The User Name, @meanmistermustard)  And Polythene Pam: Actually The Beginning Chord Of Her Majesty Is The Last Chord Of MMM And The Last Chord Of HM Is Actually The Beginning Chord Of PP.

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IMHO "Cry Baby Cry" , "Can you take me back" and "Revolution #9" are three different songs, the 2nd put in as kind of a bridge between the 1st and 3rd ....

It´s funny that it´s not credited on the track listing (like "Her Majesty"). It would increase the song list to 31 - and Pauls contribution would raise to 13 songs, same quantity as Johns (a fact that has annoyed me for a long time, that John had more own songs on the White Album a-hard-days-night-paul-11 ) - with 4 songs by George and one by Ringo.

I would suggest to make an own entry here in the BIBLE for "Can you take me back" ...  it´s such a lovely piece - sure an improvisation, but full of fantasy and musicianship .... (and far better music than #9)

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Ringo has two tracks; 'Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the former.

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Thought that was Ringo's.

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If i could write properly my sentence above would read

meanmistermustard said
Ringo has two tracks; 'Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the latter.

I can't, it doesn't. 

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MyValentine said
I would suggest to make an own entry here in the BIBLE for "Can you take me back" ...  it´s such a lovely piece - sure an improvisation, but full of fantasy and musicianship .... (and far better music than #9)

It definitely is, @MyValentine. A brief masterpiece. 

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meanmistermustard said
Ringo has two tracks; 'Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the former.

Sorry, John did write the latter (Good Night) - otherwise you are right if you mean Ringo as vocalist - but I was referring to him as a composer.

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MyValentine said

meanmistermustard said
Ringo has two tracks; 'Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the former.

Sorry, John did write the latter (Good Night) - otherwise you are right if you mean Ringo as vocalist - but I was referring to him as a composer.

In which case, Ringo having written a song was remarkable in itself.

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Ron Nasty said

MyValentine said

meanmistermustard said
Ringo has two tracks; 'Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the former.

Sorry, John did write the latter (Good Night) - otherwise you are right if you mean Ringo as vocalist - but I was referring to him as a composer.

In which case, Ringo having written a song was remarkable in itself.

I'm now completely lost in all this.

I fixed my post here

meanmistermustard said
If i could write properly my sentence above would read

meanmistermustard said
Ringo has two tracks; 'Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the latter.

I can't, it doesn't. 

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To avoid derailing another thread, @Skelter, I will respond to your comment here.

In that thread, I made the comment to @Ahhh Girl:

You know as well as I that Can You Take Me Back is considered a song in its own right, used as a link between Cry Baby Cry and Revolution 9. You know this because you have the full version of Can You Take Me Back, and you know it was featured in the poll in its [own] right.

Which you questioned with:

I think that if the "Can you take me back" part should be considered a song distinct from Cry Baby Cry, then the "Heba heloa" part of Hello Goodbye should also be considered a song in its own right, which I think is insane.

Firstly, on your comment about the "Heba heloa" part of Hello Goodbye, as Mark Lewisohn says in The Complete Recording Sessions:

Right from the first take the song featured a reprise ending, nicknamed, somewhat strangely, the "Maori finale".

So, the "Heba heloa" part of Hello Goodbye could never be considered a song in its own right as it was there from the moment they first recorded the song.

Does the same relationship exist between Cry Baby Cry and Can You Take Me Back? Was Can You Take Me Back always a part of Cry Baby Cry?

I point you to @Joe's article on the main site about Cry Baby Cry, where he says:

On the White Album, Cry Baby Cry was followed by Paul McCartney's Can You Take Me Back, an ad-libbed song recorded during the 16 September session for I Will. Although unrelated to Cry Baby Cry, the songs are often classed as one.

And that is the crux of the debate. A small section was cut out of an ad-libbed Paul song and placed between Cry Baby Cry and Revolution 9 (along with a small bit of studio chatter between George H and George M) during the final assembly of the album, possibly because the 4th side of the White Album was Lennon dominated (Revolution 1Cry Baby CryRevolution 9 and the Ringo sung Good Night, against Paul's Honey Pie and George's Savoy Truffle).

The "Heba heloa" part of Hello Goodbye was always part of Hello Goodbye. Can You Take Me Back was a separate entity to Cry Baby Cry that was inserted as a link. It has nothing to do with Cry Baby CryIt was not recorded as part of Cry Baby Cry and was not recorded as a reprise ending to it. It is a separate entity, one of the many ad-libbed songs and jams recorded during the session for I Will (of which Step Inside Love and an edited Los Paranoias appeared on Anthology 3).

While not quite complete (it's missing around 20 seconds), here is Paul's ad-libbed song:

I hope this explanation allows you to understand why many of us view Can You Take Me Back as a song in its own right, even should you still disagree.

And I'll take this opportunity to offer you my welcome to the Forum.

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So is the 'Get Back' coda part of 'Get Back'? Was always part of the song yet Apple cut it from 'Let It Be... Naked'. Suppose that take did break down but still, the point remains - Apple are idiots. 

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To which version of Get Back are you referring to @meanmistermustard? And what do you mean by "coda"? Was this coda present from the first take of Get Back at Twickenham. I do not understand the point you are making, and how it relates in any way to my above post.

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I want to hear the end of Cry Baby Cry without Can You Take Me Back, because of the weird dissonant noises in between. That's all really.

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Ron Nasty said
To which version of Get Back are you referring to @meanmistermustard? And what do you mean by "coda"? Was this coda present from the first take of Get Back at Twickenham. I do not understand the point you are making, and how it relates in any way to my above post.

I'm being heavily sarcastic and it didnt relate in any real way.

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And this is why I love Beatles Bible... I learn something new all the time. Here I always thought of Can You Take Me Back as an "outro" to Cry Baby Cry and now I realize it really... wasn't. 

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Ron Nasty said 

And that is the crux of the debate. A small section was cut out of an ad-libbed Paul song and placed between Cry Baby Cry and Revolution 9 (along with a small bit of studio chatter between George H and George M) during the final assembly of the album

Were you referring to the conversation about the bottle of Claret? If so, I believe it was George Martin and Alistair Taylor.

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@Zig said

Ron Nasty said 
And that is the crux of the debate. A small section was cut out of an ad-libbed Paul song and placed between Cry Baby Cry and Revolution 9 (along with a small bit of studio chatter between George H and George M) during the final assembly of the album

Were you referring to the conversation about the bottle of Claret? If so, I believe it was George Martin and Alistair Taylor.

Yep, you're right. Silly mistake made because of posting at stupid o'clock in the morning. Should always double-check myself when writing long detailed posts when I should be sleeping.

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