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Where Does "Cry Baby Cry" End?
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#9 said

mja6758 said
I think this may depend on your definition of rills and their definition. I refer to the recording sheet for the first assembly of
Sgt. Pepper here (slightly different track-listing to the final LP but same instructions). Both sides are listed as "No Rills" with this note added at the end, to make the instruction clear to the cutting engineer, "No gaps between items - Ends of die-away joined to following item - as per G. Martin". A rill, strictly speaking, is a period of silence separating two tracks that is cut slightly wider to allow a listener to navigate the disc. That cutting engineers, Porky in particular, found a way to mark the end of track by cutting the groove slightly wider at that point while still having it carry sound does not make it a rill as they understood one. That the definition changed slightly over time to take in their innovation, and its use by others, does not change their meaning at the time. As to Her Majesty, of course it looks different to how the gap looks for Helter Skelter - Helter Skelter did not have a 17 second gap before it faded back in. And, if you have an original copy of Abbey Road, just as Can You Take Me Back is not listed on The White Album, Her Majesty was not listed on Abbey Road.

Yes, I understand rills and all that, but my copies of Sgt. Pepper and the White Album have rills in all the places you said there weren't. Maybe it's because they're later pressings and they're American. When I said that the Her Majesty rill looked different from the fade out of Helter Skelter, I meant that it simply looked to be of a much different luster-- something that cannot be changed by the length of the silence. I'm not sure, though, as I grew up in the CD age. I've only had a few years experience with vinyl while you've probably had your whole life.

One last point-- (as Joe said) Can You Take Me Back was used on the Love CD and was listed as part of Cry Baby Cry, meaning that George Martin considers it to be a part of CBC.

But we'll never agree on this point. It's just another great thing about the Beatles. Their music is so... enigmatic.

Her Majesty Not Included In The Disc Appearing As Hidden Bonus (The First In The Story), Ends Abrupt Because Appears Originnally Between Mean Mister Mustard (The Song Of The User Name, @meanmistermustard)  And Polythene Pam: Actually The Beginning Chord Of Her Majesty Is The Last Chord Of MMM And The Last Chord Of HM Is Actually The Beginning Chord Of PP.

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IMHO "Cry Baby Cry" , "Can you take me back" and "Revolution #9" are three different songs, the 2nd put in as kind of a bridge between the 1st and 3rd ....

It´s funny that it´s not credited on the track listing (like "Her Majesty"). It would increase the song list to 31 - and Pauls contribution would raise to 13 songs, same quantity as Johns (a fact that has annoyed me for a long time, that John had more own songs on the White Album a-hard-days-night-paul-11 ) - with 4 songs by George and one by Ringo.

I would suggest to make an own entry here in the BIBLE for "Can you take me back" ...  it´s such a lovely piece - sure an improvisation, but full of fantasy and musicianship .... (and far better music than #9)

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Ringo has two tracks; 'Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the former.

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If i could write properly my sentence above would read

meanmistermustard said
Ringo has two tracks; '
Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the latter.

I can't, it doesn't. 

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meanmistermustard said
Ringo has two tracks; '
Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the former.

Sorry, John did write the latter (Good Night) - otherwise you are right if you mean Ringo as vocalist - but I was referring to him as a composer.

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MyValentine said

meanmistermustard said
Ringo has two tracks; '
Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the former.

Sorry, John did write the latter (Good Night) - otherwise you are right if you mean Ringo as vocalist - but I was referring to him as a composer.

In which case, Ringo having written a song was remarkable in itself.

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Ron Nasty said

MyValentine said

meanmistermustard said
Ringo has two tracks; '
Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the former.

Sorry, John did write the latter (Good Night) - otherwise you are right if you mean Ringo as vocalist - but I was referring to him as a composer.

In which case, Ringo having written a song was remarkable in itself.

I'm now completely lost in all this.

I fixed my post here

meanmistermustard said
If i could write properly my sentence above would read

meanmistermustard said
Ringo has two tracks; 'Don't Pass Me By' and 'Good Night', altho John did write the latter.

I can't, it doesn't. 

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