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Favourite and Least Favourite "White Album" Songs
23 September 2013
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Cry Baby Cry has very cool lyrics.  The music is good too.  I suspect it's largely a Lennon song.  I used to like to play cowbell along with it (a bit in Will Ferrell fashion )blue-meanie

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28 September 2013
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The White Album is my favorite Beatles album.  I love (almost) all of the songs, even the quirky ones.  Hell, I even enjoy dusting off Revolution 9 every once in a while. I also wish they could have included Not Guilty as well, since it would have fit perfectly (IMO). The only tracks that I don't really care for are:

Bungalow Bill
Rocky Raccoon 
Goodnight
Wild Honey Pie

I find Bungalow Bill to be incredibly irritating, both musically and lyrically.  There's too much Yoko for my liking. They should have recorded Child Of Nature instead.

I used to enjoy Rocky Raccoon when I was younger, but for some reason it doesn't really connect with me anymore.  Personally I wish that Paul had recorded Junk instead – that song sounds very "White Album" to my ears.  Very melancholy and almost eerie.  An incredible melody and chord progression.

I think Goodbye is actually a very good song, but I wish that John had sung it instead.  I also don't care for the over-the-top orchestration.  I usually skip it for this reason.  I think it would have been a standout track if John had had sung it, with a sparse arrangement.

Wild Honey Pie has to be one of the most irritating recordings I have ever heard.

 

 

 

28 September 2013
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CorporationT-shirt said
I also wish they could have included Not Guilty as well, since it would have fit perfectly (IMO).

Definitely. It's a fantastic song and there's really just no excuse for it never making a Beatle record.

Sign me up for "Wild Honey Pie"'s tiny fan club. It's a guilty pleasure.

28 September 2013
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Favorites in no particular order:

Songs I Hate:

The rest are somewhere in between.

29 September 2013
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CorporationT-shirt said

I find Bungalow Bill to be incredibly irritating, both musically and lyrically.  There's too much Yoko for my liking. They should have recorded Child Of Nature instead.

 

I've told this story before on The Beatles Bible forum -- way back in the winter of Ought '12, there was a fierce blizzard around these here parts, I'd been ambushed by some Cheyennes out west of the Pecos, and I spent upwards of purt near a year sssssssssucking on my leg in a cave… and anyway, a friend of mine told me that Yoko Ono is singing as part of the chorus on "Bungalow Bill" and I said "no way!" and he said, "yes, here's the proof" -- and he linked me to The Beatles Bible, the "Songs" section.  And as I've also said before here, I think Yoko's voice in that song is delightfully wacky, a perfect touch to that already wacky song.

Anyway, from there, I noticed there was a discussion forum here, and since I'm an old hand at discussion forums on the Net, having cut my teeth on dozens of them over the years (and getting kicked out of a few, with the scars to prove it), I thought I'd join.

And I'm still here… a-hard-days-night-john-3

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29 September 2013
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^^Tell your friend I said "thank you" for pointing you here.

29 September 2013
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Fave- I'm So Tired tied with Long Long Long.
Least Fave-hmm…probably Goodnight just cuz it doesn't FIT. AT ALL.
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Sorry Ringo.

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29 September 2013
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I like "Helter Skelter", mostly because I could use it back then as an argument against anyone who thought the Beatles were going soft.

Least? Hard to pick one as I love the diversity of the album, but I guess it would be "Julia" – it has not quite grown on me yet.

Oh, and I'm happy to join the "Honey Pie" club – I kinda like that one too – does that make 5 of us yet?

29 September 2013
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Cry Baby Cry has very cool lyrics.  The music is good too.  I suspect it's largely a Lennon song.  I used to like to play cowbell along with it (a bit in Will Ferrell fashion )blue-meanie

Funny Paper, I agree.  The lyrics are cool.  I remember reading an interview with John where he dismissed the song as inconsequential, but I think it's one of his most under-appreciated gems.

One of interesting things about Cry Baby Cry is that Lennon employed an almost McCartney-like 3rd person narrative style.  There are only a handful of other Lennon stabs at "storytelling" in the Beatles catalogue.  Although the lyrics are dreamlike and whimsical, there is  also a palpable sense of dread – a general uneasiness, if you will – that runs throughout the stanzas.

Lennon puts in a marvelous vocal performance on this track.  Fantastic melody. I also love McCartney's creative bass line, and Ringo really lays down a solid groove – he really locks in with Paul (and vice versa, of course). Who plays the piano?  Is it Lennon?  Whoever played it did a great job as well. 

That descending chord progress is typical Lennon as well.  I love it.

The short Can You Take Me Back fadeout tacked on the end of the track is eerie as hell – it works seamlessly with Cry Baby Cry.  What a great track.  Very "White Album"-sounding, if you know what I mean.

 

 

29 September 2013
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cbatcu said
^^Tell your friend I said "thank you" for pointing you here.

I will cbatcu, thanks -- and I hope you stick around for a long time and don't disappear like some seem to do…

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CorporationT -- nice breakdown of "Cry Baby Cry".

I've noticed that John had a habit of slighting some of his good songs from the past.

I'd say the piano is John; it sounds like his style.

Also worth noting is the addition of accordion -- an underused instrument in pop in general, and certainly in rock/pop, and it fits well with this song.

That "Can you take me back" coda is a typical Paul thing -- while less "eery" it nevertheless reminds me a little of the "Coming round the bend" coda he tacked onto the end of "Long Haired Lady" and "Her Majesty" at the end of "The End", and his reprise of "Band on the Run" after "Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five"…  (there may be other examples)

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Funny Paper said

cbatcu said
^^Tell your friend I said "thank you" for pointing you here.

I will cbatcu, thanks -- and I hope you stick around for a long time and don't disappear like some seem to do…

At least until I'm 64a-hard-days-night-george-10a-hard-days-night-john-3

29 September 2013
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trcanberra said
I like "Helter Skelter", mostly because I could use it back then as an argument against anyone who thought the Beatles were going soft.

Least? Hard to pick one as I love the diversity of the album, but I guess it would be "Julia" – it has not quite grown on me yet.

Oh, and I'm happy to join the "Honey Pie" club – I kinda like that one too – does that make 5 of us yet?

I believe it does. Wow, at least 5 people in the world like Wild Honey Pie

Helter Skelter is one of my favourite Beatles songs. Anyone who puts down the Beatles should listen to this and I guarantee a change of heart. 

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^^ To add to the "Helter Skelter" mix: A co-worker who isn't very into the Beatles said she thought it would be cool to hear Paul McCartney do heavy metal. I got her to listen to "Helter Skelter", and she said that would suffice, it being early heavy metal. I don't really know heavy metal. Is "Helter Skelter" even close? Is there something else I should tell her to listen to that comes closer in your opinion?

Switching topic:

Does this count? I never skip "Wild Honey Pie" when it comes up. I bounce along with it. I think of a cartoon rabbit hyped up on Monkberry Moon Delight looking for his gurl. "Is she here? Is she there? Mr. Moose, did you see which way she went?"

29 September 2013
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Some credit "Born to Be Wild" by SteppenWolf, which came out a few months before "Helter Skelter", as the first metal song because it uses the words "heavy metal thunder"; however, others would give the credit to "Helter Skelter" because it is more heavy. There are other songs on the list as well, but with this said I believe it (Helter Skelter) is ONE of the first heavy metal songs. 

29 September 2013
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I love Wild Honey Pie. It's a wonderful prelude to the similarly quirky Bungalow Bill, which I also fancy.

 

Favourites (In order of appearance):

- The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill

- Happiness Is A Warm Gun

- I'm So Tired

- Blackbird

- Piggies

- Helter Skelter

- Yer Blues

- Long, Long, Long

 

Least Favourites (In order of appearance)

- Glass Onion

- Birthday

- Revolution 9

 

All in all, aside from the latter three, I love the whole album and it's undeniably one of my favourites. :)

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29 September 2013
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Funny Paper said
CorporationT -- nice breakdown of "Cry Baby Cry".

I've noticed that John had a habit of slighting some of his good songs from the past.

I'd say the piano is John; it sounds like his style.

Also worth noting is the addition of accordion -- an underused instrument in pop in general, and certainly in rock/pop, and it fits well with this song.

That "Can you take me back" coda is a typical Paul thing -- while less "eery" it nevertheless reminds me a little of the "Coming round the bend" coda he tacked onto the end of "Long Haired Lady" and "Her Majesty" at the end of "The End", and his reprise of "Band on the Run" after "Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five"…  (there may be other examples)

 

I had typed out a long post about Cry Baby Cry, the instrumentation and how those little bits and codas Paul sometimes sticks on the end of songs are genius and give the songs a different feeling but then my internet crashed.a-hard-days-night-john-7

 

Anyway, the chords are great, just because they're so simple. Love all those little sounds in it too, and the accordion of course. The lyrics are also cool, very different from most of John's Beatles lyrics indeed. It's all so simple but effective.

This is a really useless and short comment, but I don't feel like typing the whole thing out againblue-meanie

 

29 September 2013
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George Martin's harmonium at the beginning is so under the radar yet brilliant. The guitar fills are fantabulous. Ringo's crashing drums are just as good. How the song starts out quiet but gets heavier as it plays thru. Johns understated vocal. Paul's bass. The sound effects.

So easily a highlight on the album and ridiculously overlooked. Sorry John but you were totally wrong when you derided the song.

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acmac said

CorporationT-shirt said
I also wish they could have included Not Guilty as well, since it would have fit perfectly (IMO).

Definitely. It's a fantastic song and there's really just no excuse for it never making a Beatle record.
 

 

I always thought that the reason that it was left off was because of the lyrics, they appear to be directed towards Paul whom George felt had been riding him a bit during these sessions (not letting him play on 'Hey Jude' etc.), it's not for musical reasons for they spent considerable time laying down the bed tracks.

 

Not guilty
For getting in your way
While you're trying to steal the day
Not guilty
And I'm not here for the rest
I'm not trying to steal your vest

 

Does this not sound like he's talking about Paul?  Paul was seen wearing a "vest" in many photos around this period.

 

I won't upset the apple cart
I only want what I can get
I'm really sorry that you've been misled
But like you heard me said
Not guilty

 

The apple cart?

 

Not guilty
For looking like a freak
Making friends with every Sikh
Not guilty
For leading you astray
On the road to Mandalay

 

I can certainly see why the others, especially Paul, had reservations about including this one on the album at the time.  Remember that John changed the lyrics to 'Sexy Sadie' from its original 'Maharishi' title to avoid hurt feelings, perhaps asking George to do the same here would've been met with more bickering…:-)

 

 

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Supposedly Not Guilty was about the treatment George received from John and Paul, the dealings with Apple, and the fallout from the trip to India and one of the theories goes that it was dropped due to the lyrical content being a little close to home.

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