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meanmistermustard said

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meanmistermustard said
Sorry for going off topic but i am anyway.

For the life of me i cannot understand the continuing stance of the right to bear arms. Not all massacres would be stopped, i get that, but i cannot for the life of me understand how people can continue to hold that belief when kids, teenagers and adults are being killed in the most gruesome, most unexplainable, most tragic of circumstances leaving behind so much pain, anger and emptiness in loved ones lives. And its still going on. I keep hearing reports in the US about 3 people being shot dead here, another 2 here, another 4 here. Will it ever change? Will Congress and the people who have the power ever get it changed? How many lives must be taken until there is change? With every person who is shot dead in such tragedies it is one second too late.

And i dont care who i offend with that.

Kendall Payne sang that "everyone angry is only just aching inside". I totally believe that. 

No, it won't. You can't change the constitution. That will never happen. How many people are stabbed, beaten, or suffocated to death? Are we supposed to ban knives and start amputating people's arms, too? If somebody gonna go kill a couple dozen six year olds, they gonna go kill a couple dozen six year olds. Would you rather these people use machetes or hammers to kill all these people? I think I would rather be shot. The guns are not the problem, it's the individuals who use them to kill innocent people.

I agree that if you are determined to kill someone you will and that the big problem is the people who commit the acts but to say people are going to kill be it with a gun or a knife so you either ban everything or nothing so whats the point is daft to me. Cars will knock people down and idiots will crash them into people when they dont have a license but you still make it as safe as possible to drive and folk have to take tests to have legally them. You dont just say you want a car, fill in a form, wait a couple of days for the keys to arrive and on you go.

Change is always possible. Its down to the people to bring it around by standing up and campaigning so the politicians will listen and act. How many years did woman have to campaign for the right to vote in the early 1900's in the UK, standing against powerful rich men (and poor) who were dead against it for many reasons? But social pressure, a changing society and campaigns brought it around.

Adding stricter gun laws is totally different than getting rid of the right to keep and bear arms. Maybe it is too easy to get guns in America, but that's kind of the point of the second amendment. I think assault weapons are ridiculous and shouldn't even exist. There is no reason any person would need an assault rifle, but having another type of gun is fine, unless you're killing people with it, which is probably usually a bad thing.

mja6758 said

No, reading it as a foreigner, without any of the baggage Americans carry about the 2nd Amendment, it is about the ability without a Standing Army to be able to defend against external aggression, via the use of Minutemen. How many gun owners in America now are affiliated to a State militia?

We have the right to bear arms as a "just in case the government wants to try and become a dictatorship" type of thing.

Another point I did not bring up earlier was your line, "If somebody gonna go kill a couple dozen six year olds, they gonna go kill a couple dozen six year olds. Would you rather these people use machetes or hammers to kill all these people?"

In the UK, we had that machete attack. Here is the Wikipedia description:

Note, not one life ended, many damaged but none ended. Had our gun laws allowed him to buy a gun, there would have been deaths.

Yeah, that was one incident, and that guy wasn't very smart about it, either. He did it outside with parents there. That's much different than going into a classroom with one teacher and thirty kids who don't really have anywhere to go to.

Anyhowdy, I don't really have a go-to Beatles song that cheers me up. Yesterday probably makes me the happiest of all their songs. Every time I listen to Yesterday I get a surplus of happiness that's crazy intense. I could listen to it ten times in a row and it does it to me every time.