Why is there no love for Piggies | Page 3 | The songs | Fab forum

Please consider registering
Guest

Log In Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —

  

— Match —

   

— Forum Options —

   

Wildcard usage:
*  matches any number of characters    %  matches exactly one character

Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

Why is there no love for Piggies
16 April 2014
10.51pm
Necko
Rishikesh
Forum Posts: 769
Member Since:
11 November 2010
Offline
41

Necko said
There isn't love for Piggies because it's sandwiched in the middle of a two-disc album.  Many people will inevitably just see it as filler for that reason.

By the way, I like Piggies.  It's far from my favorite Beatles song and not my favorite Harrison Beatles song, but it's not a bad song.  I'm just trying to speak in terms of the general public with the above statement.  Thank you for listening.

The following people thank Necko for this post:

IveJustSeenAFaceo, Mr. Kite
I'm Necko.  I'm like Ringo except I wear necklaces.
18 April 2014
9.53pm
salviandres
Ed Sullivan Show
Forum Posts: 157
Member Since:
15 August 2013
Offline
42

I did A Pigmy by Charles Hawtrhey And The deafaids

Thats Can You Dig It By Georgie Wood

Ohh My Soul

19 April 2014
8.11am
Matt Busby
In the town where I was born
Hollywood Bowl
Forum Posts: 384
Member Since:
8 February 2014
Offline
43

salviandres said
<link to live Piggies video>

Do you know when this was from?  From the little peek of Eric I'd think early 80s, but you can never tell which facial hair period Eric was in at any given point.  I just ask because George didn't look or sing particularly well imo.  Tons of reverb, still a thin-sounding voice from a thin, fairly short haired George. 

Argh, past 4am, should try to get to bed…

Half of what I say is meaningless...
19 April 2014
7.30pm
Linde
The Netherlands
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1940
Member Since:
21 November 2012
Offline
44

It says live in Japan, 1992, so I guess it's from then

The following people thank Linde for this post:

Matt Busby
19 April 2014
9.59pm
meanmistermustard
Moderator



Forum Posts: 9268
Member Since:
1 May 2011
Offline

Its Japan so December 1991, the live album of the tour coming out in July of 1992.

The following people thank meanmistermustard for this post:

Matt Busby
"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
29 April 2014
4.41pm
MrMoonlight
Blue Jay Way
Rishikesh
Forum Posts: 796
Member Since:
2 April 2014
Online
46

@Annadog40, you'll be happy to know that I've just learnt Piggies on piano. I've only heard it fully today, but I do really enjoy listening to it and the harpsichord solo is really fun to play.

The following people thank MrMoonlight for this post:

Annadog40
Mal's got a mop and another glass of orange juice!
~He took the mirrors off his Cadillac
'Cause he doesn't like looking like he looks back~
29 April 2014
10.35pm
trcanberra
Canberra, ACT
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1643
Member Since:
29 August 2013
Offline
47

MrMoonlight said
@Annadog40, you'll be happy to know that I've just learnt Piggies on piano. I've only heard it fully today, but I do really enjoy listening to it and the harpsichord solo is really fun to play.

Nice work there.  I must say the harpsichord and the overall style are part of what I like about the song, it is very different musically to a lot of other Beatles tracks (as are many of the songs on the album, which is why it is one of my favourites).

30 April 2014
2.40am
Into the Sky with Diamonds
New York
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1269
Member Since:
10 August 2011
Offline
48

YES! I agree with Annadog40. It's TOTALLY "Animal Farm" + it goes with "Male Chauvinist Pig." It's a cutting little satire made a little less original by the fact that George Orwell beat him to it, but it's got more substance to it than, say,  "Savoy Truffle" (though I prefer chocolate to pork).

Since George was quite the self-critic, it is noteworthy that he chose to play it in concert many years later. (That clip above is from "George Harrison Live in Japan with Eric Clapton". The album/CD cover is great. It's all black, and you have to move it around to see a drawing of George's face.)

"Into the Sky with Diamonds" (the Beatles and the Race to the Moon – a history)
1 July 2014
7.31pm
vonbontee
Inside a Letterbox
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 2176
Member Since:
1 December 2009
Offline

OK, I must have listened to both "Piggies" and the song below, "The Daily Planet" by Love, hundreds of times apiece in the nearly-30-yrs since I first heard 'em both within six months of one another; so I can't believe it took me so long to make the connection between 'em. Listen for the opening one-bar vocal melody of "Piggies" which recurs several times within the first half of the Love song:

[lol universe: original youtube vid was preceded by a (SKIP THIS-) ad for a "Beatles Guitar Secrets" book or video or something, amazing!]

Like I said, I'm amazed I don't think I ever noticed that until this morning, but I think that's a testimony to how much I love both songs and can't hear them as anything other than themselves, plus there's the fact that the eight-note melody is phrased quite differently in both, and Arthur Lee added a backup harmony singer to part of his lead.

But the question is: Did George consciously borrow this melody, liking it and knowing it would fit nicely into his song? Or had he merely had the song on his mind and accidentally recycle it?

I just want to play. I’d like to think I could work opposite Sinatra, B.B. King, the Beatles, or a polka band... - Jazz musician Rahsaan Roland Kirk, 1967
2 July 2014
12.46am
Von Bontee
A Hole In The Road
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 2175
Member Since:
14 December 2009
Offline
50

…because I'll bet that it wasn't just a total coincidence. Forever Changes was a pretty hip album to own at the time (RIGHTLY SO because it's so so great) and even made #24 on the UK charts right around the time of the Rishikesh sojourn. And all of the band were keeping tabs on all the hip albums from the USA and the UK at the time, so…how could George not have heard it?

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!" -- Paul McCartney
2 July 2014
1.02am
unclegilly
The Jacaranda
Forum Posts: 28
Member Since:
21 January 2014
Offline
51

I always liked Piggies ,which has such style it stands up to comparisons and accusations. Ever noticed when some band tries to copy or parody the BEATLES style they go to this type of tune which is as much " BEATLES " as "I Am The Walrus"et al .we love GEORGE that's for sure, and it's nice his debut album kicked the other boys debuts soundly in the snout. off topic sorry .

2 July 2014
1.41am
Bjway
On The Hill
Ed Sullivan Show
Forum Posts: 168
Member Since:
5 July 2010
Offline
52

I think Piggies is a great example of how they could play in whatever style/genre they wanted. It's not very often you find a song that successfully makes you think of a certain musical era (classical or baroque I guess). The harpsichord and cello really make it. The lyrics aren't amazing, but I never listen to a song for the lyrics really.

The following people thank Bjway for this post:

unclegilly
The Pope owns 51% of General Motors
2 July 2014
3.00am
Bulldog
On a flaming pie
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1129
Member Since:
4 June 2014
Online
53

Piggies's lyrics may seem unremarkable, but this song is another biting social commentary, think Taxman. Unlike Taxman, which is somewhat mocking in its anger, Piggies is more straight-up ferocious jabs and blows to society's social division. My favorite part of the song, the distorted part about the "something lacking" is the most obviously vicious part. This song deserves much more credit than it gets, and it's actually stuck in my head frequently. (Though I myself used to consider it a meaningless throwaway…)

The following people thank Bulldog for this post:

Mr. Kite
If you're lonely, you can talk to me.
2 July 2014
4.35am
JauntyMonty
The Kaiserkeller
Forum Posts: 46
Member Since:
2 July 2014
Offline
54

TO EAT THEIR BACON!!

"Something in the way she moves . . . attracts me like a pomegranate" - George Harrison
2 July 2014
3.08pm
Mr. Kite
910 Penny Lane, Strawberry Fields, Pepperland
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 3276
Member Since:
4 February 2014
Offline
55

Hi, @JauntyMonty! Welcome to the forum! You should introduce yourself to everyone here.

The following people thank Mr. Kite for this post:

Annadog40, thisbirdhasflown, JauntyMonty, unclegilly

If I spoke prose you'd all find out, I don't know what I talk about.

Can buy Joe love! If you're shopping at one of these two websites use the links below to support the Beatles Bible: Amazon | iTunes
10 July 2014
3.42am
vonbontee
Inside a Letterbox
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 2176
Member Since:
1 December 2009
Offline
56

Hey, I didn't know that George did ALL the vocals himself, including those stuffy upperclass ones!

I just want to play. I’d like to think I could work opposite Sinatra, B.B. King, the Beatles, or a polka band... - Jazz musician Rahsaan Roland Kirk, 1967
10 July 2014
4.21am
Atlas
Paris Olympia
Forum Posts: 143
Member Since:
18 October 2013
Offline
57

I like this song only just enough to comment on it.

I don't like it!

10 July 2014
4.48am
Funny Paper
America
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1903
Member Since:
1 November 2012
Offline
58

I think Annadog might recall I praised "Piggies" on another thread.  My thoughts are most like VonBontee and Bungalow Bob above.

Here's what I said on that other thread:

"the harpsichord going through interesting final chord changes, the long pause, George saying "one more time", the stately classical string quartet doing a drawn-out traditional blues coda, the pig chomping and burping away."

And that's just the ending.  I like the whole song, it's very satisfying.  I feel "like a pig in clover" while listening to it.blue-meanie

Faded flowers, wait in a jar, till the evening is complete... complete... complete... complete...
10 July 2014
5.21am
vonbontee
Inside a Letterbox
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 2176
Member Since:
1 December 2009
Offline
59

FP, did you listen to the Love song I embedded upthread? What do you think of the similarity?

I just want to play. I’d like to think I could work opposite Sinatra, B.B. King, the Beatles, or a polka band... - Jazz musician Rahsaan Roland Kirk, 1967
10 July 2014
6.44am
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator


Forum Posts: 4543
Member Since:
20 August 2013
Online
60

I love this song. It is brilliant. Music. Words. Theme. Snorts.

The following people thank Ahhh Girl for this post:

thisbirdhasflown
Forum Timezone: Europe/London

Most Users Ever Online: 597

Currently Online: Ahhh Girl, Annadog40, MrMoonlight, thisbirdhasflown, Bulldog, Beatlesneverdie
62 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

meanmistermustard: 9268

mr. Sun king coming together: 6916

parlance: 4910

mithveaen: 4651

Ahhh Girl: 4542

Zig: 3676

Annadog40: 3636

Mr. Kite: 3276

Ron Nasty: 2970

fabfouremily: 2927

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 87

Members: 2517

Moderators: 4

Admins: 2

Forum Stats:

Groups: 3

Forums: 34

Topics: 3187

Posts: 129568

Newest Members: badbartimus, imabeatlemaniac, A Serviceable Villain, rich23, Karolina_

Moderators: Ahhh Girl (4542), meanmistermustard (9268), Zig (3676), Joe (3405)

Administrators: Joe (3405), Ellie (1)

Members Birthdays
Today: callan1967, trcanberra
Upcoming: hermajesty