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Why is there no love for Piggies
14 April 2014
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It seems that most of the people don't like this song. Why is that?

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I have a mutual relationship with Piggies- I neither like nor dislike it, (it's like a lot of the early songs for me), if it comes on when I'm listening on 'shuffle' sometimes I'll listen to it, sometimes I won't. It's definitely one of George's weakest Beatles songs though and being placed on the same album as WMGGW, really doesn't let it stand on it's own two feet.

 

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14 April 2014
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I could be wrong, but it might remind people of the Manson Family murders.  The Manson Family thought the song endorsed giving establishment pigs a "damn good whacking."  Some of the victims were stabbed with forks and they wrote "Piggies" on the wall in the victims' blood.

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14 April 2014
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I could be wrong, but it might remind people of the Manson Family murders.  The Manson Family thought the song endorsed giving establishment pigs a "damn good whacking."  Some of the victims were stabbed with forks and they wrote "Piggies" on the wall in the victims' blood.

But Helter Skelter has a simaler thing but it isn't as disliked 

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14 April 2014
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Good point.

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14 April 2014
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I kind of have the same opinion on it as ASJ. Plus it's pretty creepy.

14 April 2014
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Its a nice snug fitting track on the White Album amidst Rocky Raccoon and Blackbird, isn't as good when played outside of there.

Anyone seen the tracklisting from wiki in the scrollbar list on the right hand side of this page which is all wrong? Mother Natures Son is track 4, Cry Baby Cry is the last song of the album after Revolution! Past Masters makes interesting viewing with two Love Me Do's, one being a BBC cut.

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Because it's bad. 

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I dislike Helter Skelter, one reason being the Manson connection, but also the song just doesn't please me aesthetically.  That is to say, the sound kinda grates on my ears, to be honest.  It's definitely my least favorite Beatles song.

But to get on topic, I've kinda grown to like Piggies more as I've aged (it still lies, I'm sorry to say, near the bottom).  I think the video of Free As A Bird helped me like it more, those kids were so cute.  I didn't know the Mansons had a thing for it, that really sucks.  The female lead in the American film The (500) days of Summer says Piggies is her favorite Beatles song (and the boyfriend is like wth?) just to inject a Beatly moment.  But one thing I've been wanting to know - was Piggies the first use of the phrase "what they need's a damn good whacking"?  I know it's been repeated many times in tv and film, I think I remember a Monty Python skit, or maybe in the movie "...Holy Grail" as one place.

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I like the song. Not every Beatles song is for everyone, but I do like this one.

Saying a song is "good" or "bad" is subjective to one's individual taste. I prefer to say I either like it or I don't. The fact that I like something doesn't make it good.

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I've never been a huge fan of Helter Skelter as its more noise than anything else, its ok in small doses but even on the White Album its placing doesn't feel quite right to me. Would always pick Piggies over it.

As for both track's association with the Manson killings its never bothered me, i never hear either song and automatically think of Manson. 

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14 April 2014
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I just find it silly. It feels like a throwaway, like Savoy Truffle. Hard to believe All Things Must Pass didn't make the cut but those did.

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14 April 2014
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meanmistermustard said
Its a nice snug fitting track on the White Album amidst Rocky Raccoon and Blackbird, isn't as good when played outside of there.

Anyone seen the tracklisting from wiki in the scrollbar list on the right hand side of this page which is all wrong? Mother Natures Son is track 4, Cry Baby Cry is the last song of the album after Revolution! Past Masters makes interesting viewing with two Love Me Do's, one being a BBC cut.

 

The specific placement of it here on Side 2 is most fitting, the boys grunting like Pigs is a nice contrast to the rather pleasant bird singing outro on 'Blackbird', there's a nice group feeling to them singing the final verse of 'Piggies' where they obviously had a tremendous time acting like Pigs, I love this track.  I think that the reason people didn't really warm to it was perhaps the same reason why a lot of people don't hold John's 'Sometime In New York City' songs in high regard, it's a little too political for those who listen to their music wanting to escape from the world of politics in the first place.  I like how George went about this one, he's just having a little fun at the establishment's expense, that's all, without taking himself too seriously, it'd make a great Monty Python clip.  I've always loved the string arrangement, particularly in the middle bit and towards the end, it's another similarity to 'Blackbird' where the song kicks back in to the sound of animal noises for a little encore.  Side 2 of the White Album is interesting for there's atleast two other animal references with 'Racoon' and 'Martha', it's not my favourite album side (Side 3's by far my favourite) but it's probably the one where the complexion of it would be altered the most should there be any change to the track order or contents, they all flow real nicely into each other just as Side 2 of 'Abbey Road' does...:-)

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meanmistermustard said
I've never been a huge fan of Helter Skelter as its more noise than anything else, its ok in small doses but even on the White Album its placing doesn't feel quite right to me. Would always pick Piggies over it.

As for both track's association with the Manson killings its never bothered me, i never hear either song and automatically think of Manson. 

Same - I always liked U2 for taking Helter Skelter back from Manson.  It's one of my favourite Beatles tracks - I just love them taking a hard rock edge when it was still a relatively new thing to do.  Piggies is just fun.

 

15 April 2014
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Piggies is underrated indeed. It may not be lyrically strong as the other George political-oriented thing, Taxman, but it is very strong musically, mainly because of the harpsichord being the lead instrument, giving this song an unique sound along with the backing strings, guitars, bass and tape loops!

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Expert Textpert said
I could be wrong, but it might remind people of the Manson Family murders.  The Manson Family thought the song endorsed giving establishment pigs a "damn good whacking."  Some of the victims were stabbed with forks and they wrote "Piggies" on the wall in the victims' blood.

I don't really go either way with Piggies, and this is part of the reason I wouldn't say I like it exactly. Although, I really do like what George was saying in the lyrics about the powerful hypocritical Piggies eating their bacon. And Helter Skelter still creeps me out a bit too because of Manson.

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The Manson thing has never lessened a song's quality for me. Still like Helter Skelter, still don't like Piggies.

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trcanberra said

I always liked U2 for taking Helter Skelter back from Manson.  

 

One of our favorite Rock Docs is Rattle and Hum. As an avid Beatles fan, I was immediately sucked in by this Fabulous opening to the film.

I agree with those above by saying I don't think of Manson when I hear the songs associated with the plotting/slayings, including 'Blackbird'.  

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Zig said

trcanberra said

I always liked U2 for taking Helter Skelter back from Manson.  

 

One of our favorite Rock Docs is Rattle and Hum. As an avid Beatles fan, I was immediately sucked in by this Fabulous opening to the film.

I agree with those above by saying I don't think of Manson when I hear the songs associated with the plotting/slayings, including 'Blackbird'.  

And pretty much the entire White Album.

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I dislike Helter Skelter, one reason being the Manson connection, but also the song just doesn't please me aesthetically.  That is to say, the sound kinda grates on my ears, to be honest.  It's definitely my least favorite Beatles song.

But to get on topic, I've kinda grown to like Piggies more as I've aged (it still lies, I'm sorry to say, near the bottom).  I think the video of Free As A Bird helped me like it more, those kids were so cute.  I didn't know the Mansons had a thing for it, that really sucks.  The female lead in the American film The (500) days of Summer says Piggies is her favorite Beatles song (and the boyfriend is like wth?) just to inject a Beatly moment.  But one thing I've been wanting to know - was Piggies the first use of the phrase "what they need's a damn good whacking"?  I know it's been repeated many times in tv and film, I think I remember a Monty Python skit, or maybe in the movie "...Holy Grail" as one place.

 

I thought her favourite was Octopus's Garden?

I don't don't like Piggies because of the Manson stuff. I never associate it with that, and I do like Helter Skelter (well, except for the last bit of that song anyway). Stuff like that just doesn't ruin a song for me. Perhaps if it was associated with Hitler or whatever, maybe that would've changed the thing, but that's not the case so what am I even going on about.

I can't believe they preferred this over something like All Things Must Pass either. I'm not saying Piggies is a particular bad song, but ATMP beats it with miles. But, if I recall correctly, ATMP wasn't recorded until somewhere in 1969. Perhaps you meant Not Guilty? Or was ATMP already known during the recording of the White Album? If you were talking about Not Guilty, I still agree. I think it's still better than Savoy Truffle or Piggies.

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