Topic RSS
3.08am
10 August 2011
OfflineIn "Words of Love" Paul sings the lower notes as seen here when he sings it by himself. (I'm used to Paul reaching for the sky on those impossible harmonies a la "Baby's in Black" or "Nowhere Man")
Then these two Italians show how in "If I Fell" Paul sings the melody that we all recognize while John sings something completely different. (Start at 1:00 or 1:30)
Paul has commonly interwoven different melodies (Dear Boy, Wanderlust, Silly Love Songs,…), but how often do the Beatles use less than straightforward (easy for me to say) 2- and 3-part harmonies? Frequently? Occasionally?
2.45pm
26 March 2012
OfflineInto the Sky with Diamonds said
In "Words of Love" Paul sings the lower notes as seen here when he sings it by himself. (I'm used to Paul reaching for the sky on those impossible harmonies a la "Baby's in Black" or "Nowhere Man")Then these two Italians show how in "If I Fell" Paul sings the melody that we all recognize while John sings something completely different. (Start at 1:00 or 1:30)
I'm not really sure what question you're asking, but I'll throw in some thoughts. As a singer in semi-professional choirs, chamber choirs and the occasional barbershop quartet, as well as having recorded backing harmonies for songs of my own, I've always been intrigued by the Beatles' voice types, vocal ranges and harmony arrangements.
Paul sings the lower line on that Words of Love cover because it's the natural melody; it wouldn't make any sense to sing the harmony line alone. In the Beatles' version, he sings the higher line and John takes the lower. Listen to Buddy Holly's original, and you'll see the lower line is far more prominent. As for If I Fell, John wrote the song with the higher line as the main melody as proved by his acoustic demo- but even that demo shows that the melody is too high for his baritone range to sing comfortably, so he lent the main melody to Paul's tenor and then I'm assuming worked out with Paul a lower harmony for himself to sing. Either way, it works tremendously well; the counterpoint between the two vocal lines is possibly the most adventurous harmony they'd penned since This Boy, and would have likely taken a lot of practice.
Paul has commonly interwoven different melodies (Dear Boy, Wanderlust, Silly Love Songs,…), but how often do the Beatles use less than straightforward (easy for me to say) 2- and 3-part harmonies? Frequently? Occasionally?
It varies; some songs follow a fairly simple harmonic formula, others (especially in the latter half of the band's career) are very complex. Let's take, as an early example, She Loves You. I'm no Alan Pollack, but I'll attempt to put in simple terms what's going on with that famous chord on the last "yeah" of the chorus. The song is in the key of G, suggesting that it would naturally resolve and end on a G chord, but instead the band end on a jazzy and adventurous G6. George's harmony line is the key to adding the jazzy sixth to the chord: when he descends his "yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah" scale, he does not finish on a D as John does, which fits with Paul's high G to create a finalising G chord: instead, when he has sung an E on the third "yeah", he stays there for the fourth one. If you have a guitar and have some knowledge of basic chords, play a G chord in first position; now take your finger off the highest string and play it again and you've got the chord they're hitting. The tone clash between John's D and George's E creates the G6, while Paul anchors the chord with the root note. Apparently George Martin hated it, but it was an early example of them experimenting with the possibilities offered by three-part vocal harmony.
A lot of the Beatles' songs followed standard triadic three-part harmony, with John taking the main melody, Paul the higher (a third above John) and George below John, or sometimes in between John and Paul. Paul, being the group's most natural tenor, took the highest line almost without exception. Songs and parts of songs that include strikingly non-standard harmonies, purposeful clashing or more complex tonality would include Yes It Is, I Want To Tell You, Paul and George's backing in You Can't Do That, the blast of "aaaahs" that sets off Sun King, Drive My Car, the middle chain of harmonies in Day Tripper, and probably some others that I can't call off the top of my head.
4.41pm
10 August 2011
OfflineBen Ramon, thanks, great answer. I love harmonies but (obviously) don't know enough about them to dissect them out.
"Paul sings the lower line on that Words of Love cover because it's the natural melody; it wouldn't make any sense to sing the harmony line alone. In the Beatles' version, he sings the higher line and John takes the lower. Listen to Buddy Holly's original, and you'll see the lower line is far more prominent."
I thought Paul sang the lower line in that Youtube video because that was his part on the Beatle recording (notice the sly look on his face as if he's saying "I know this isn't the melody, but this was my part"). Having said that, Buddy Holly's version is clearly the original, so I'll listen to it indeed. I'm sure you're right on all counts.
11.04pm
1 November 2012
OfflineThis may be blasphemy for me to say, but I don't see harmony group singing as a particular forte of the Beatles. I find the multi-part harmony singing of Chicago (Lamm/Cetera/Kath) or of War (Lonnie Jordan, Howard Scott, Harold Brown, B.B. Dickerson), to be superior.
Luckily, the Beatles have a lot of other qualities going for them!
One Beatles song that sounds like it's using multi-part harmony to good effect is the one my signature quotes: "Sun King".
5.13pm
3 May 2012
OfflineI don't know – off the top of my head I can think of a few songs in which there are harmonies that very few other artists would atempt to do, and succeed. ''This Boy'' and ''Beacuse'' being obvious examples.
6.20am
1 November 2012
Offlinefabfouremily said
I don't know – off the top of my head I can think of a few songs in which there are harmonies that very few other artists would atempt to do, and succeed. ''This Boy'' and ''Beacuse'' being obvious examples.
I probably have not been listening close enough. I just re-listened to "Drive My Car" for another topic on this forum, and I was amazed at the harmonies executed by Paul/John then Paul/John/George. I'd never noticed that before, after all these years.
7.00pm
18 November 2011
Offline7.59pm
26 March 2012
Offline9.20pm
10 August 2011
OfflineFascinating, really.
I've not come across a text that analyzes the songs from a harmony point of view.
This guy here does a great job on a number of Beatle songs, including I Don't Want TSTP, but he doesn't tell you who sings what.
ytsession=tQFKOqBGOrKdM4e9coITyTyIH1Bpi5MTyon8_GflU6nnf-D2asYyGNcxaYqAPDhVx_QnJsh5cShTlokdS67xgQ3YXaHGoOcHKOs3XwieC4MJIFRi6FxNSxcFR8qvYGhSkMkE7Cl2e2dnJJfraBV4Y0-F0adELafyVrfHxwIYSHcMsWGxd_wx9njJhxY2xY45WVB1GV93RXJzSUcgFZfCx9HC60BlUkV8tz45NRXtjyY5xnsHD2_0RxHQ2DJ6Q51MCX72jm1nOawQmcx0H4SrzFM445G49uXsIFnWhWnGUcqAP23fCEnYq3Vowgayf-Wd7iJoOpjtODPKViW20mTRuU-Fy9UUO654msrV94hDzSuRQ2uKz8rSray0AIRl9UbPDAxjt_QkFg4Ku-CA9NOmh8ScE_PHxY-nD15TulEccUJgWgJFEZS8s0PKJBafLbGXWphPf2WxXRL4xTbySQ56RQ5z9TyEoC-87tgHJGuK_O3fvy6GawaWk9xQ7uLjK6ltfK5DaHqZFsGrC3aWhGU8p2me72wlYKu9LjdFbyXnkrP1s0zcToZPBk2UVX-EU_fUUZUtZwMIBCuo6D7LtZ3dU2OzoSBwcb_SS7jKn6xQh8nPPTN37fHZV1OzC2Kp1iVB3_NYm9xYchuHO2jmoI-RfT0bT7HixUXKzMn2QE-iC-ZdMunAQV_LITlMrOMvkypf8Ks1Zy3Pskg
[Funny Paper said, "This may be blasphemy for me to say, but I don't see harmony group singing as a particular forte of the Beatles."
Uh, you may want to revisit this.]
11.46pm
1 November 2012
OfflineMost Users Ever Online: 597
Currently Online: HeyTrud
6 Guest(s)
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
mr. Sun king coming together: 6972
meanmistermustard: 3430
MeanMrsMustard: 2794
Egroeg Evoli: 1528
vonbontee: 1427
Von Bontee: 1369
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 87
Members: 1683
Moderators: 5
Admins: 1
Forum Stats:
Groups: 3
Forums: 33
Topics: 2398
Posts: 73326
Newest Members: fartoons, RIGBY, WilliamCampbell, JQ, Juliana Melo
Moderators: Joe (2702), skye (2295), Ellie (1), Zig (2752), mithveaen (4675)
Administrators: Joe (2702)
Log In
Register
Home




