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7 January 2013
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I'm surprised that a forum of Beatles fans wouldn't know that the phrase "must not be so" is a Britishism.

 

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I'm surprised that a forum of Beatles fans wouldn't know that the phrase "must not be so" is a Britishism.

I know, I know- he means, like, "Must not be this way,"...but I still think that "so unkind" would be better- it rhymes

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8 January 2013
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Ohhh I get it now. I think that´s a bit of a posh way to say it though (probably why I didn´t see it that way ´til now, no-one in my family speaks posh!). I think I stil prefer my interpretation.

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8 January 2013
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"So unkind" wouldn't work at all though. There's actually quite a good internal rhyming scheme in MSH, which McCartney mostly sustains throughout the song. "So" is to rhyme with "Oh-oh-oh-oh", "Maxwell stands alone", "Joan" and "tells them so". The odd line is "Wishing to avoid an unpleasant scene", which doesn't rhyme with anything.

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8 January 2013
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Funny Paper said
I'm surprised that a forum of Beatles fans wouldn't know that the phrase "must not be so" is a Britishism.

 

How are you supposed to know that if you're not British?

Not being British isn't an excuse for me though, as we have the exact same phrase in Dutch..only err..in Dutch obviously.

9 January 2013
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Linde said

Funny Paper said
I'm surprised that a forum of Beatles fans wouldn't know that the phrase "must not be so" is a Britishism.

 

How are you supposed to know that if you're not British?

Not being British isn't an excuse for me though, as we have the exact same phrase in Dutch..only err..in Dutch obviously.

Yeah, but non-British Beatles fans, if they know who "Mal" is, then certainly they would have picked up on various British colloquialisms by now -- you'd think.

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9 January 2013
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I wish they'd put "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Penny Lane" on Sgt Pepper's, as originally intended.

9 January 2013
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Funny Paper said

Linde said

Funny Paper said
I'm surprised that a forum of Beatles fans wouldn't know that the phrase "must not be so" is a Britishism.

 

How are you supposed to know that if you're not British?

Not being British isn't an excuse for me though, as we have the exact same phrase in Dutch..only err..in Dutch obviously.

Yeah, but non-British Beatles fans, if they know who "Mal" is, then certainly they would have picked up on various British colloquialisms by now -- you'd think.

It´s not really a colloquialism and there´s no reason why you would pick up on that, I mean I´m English and I didn´t see that that was what it meant ´till it was pointed out.

 

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9 January 2013
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I really wish that "I'm Down" had been recorded a bit differently. At its core, it's a good rock song, and Paul really lets loose on the vocals, but I've always found the studio recording to be a bit lacking. The rhythm track doesn't sound "frantic" enough, it seems too "contained".

Ringo's drums, George's guitar and John's organ (heh) blend together a bit too much, though I can't quite tell if it's actually their playing, or just the mixing.

 

The live versions are usually pretty good though, and it is one of my favorite songs, I've just always been let down by the proper recording.

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RunForYourLife said
I really wish that "I'm Down" had been recorded a bit differently. At its core, it's a good rock song, and Paul really lets loose on the vocals, but I've always found the studio recording to be a bit lacking. The rhythm track doesn't sound "frantic" enough, it seems too "contained".

Yeah, that's a good example. After hearing it "live", the studio version lacks that raw energy. Like you wrote, it's still a great rocker.

 

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fabfouremily said

Funny Paper said

Linde said

Funny Paper said
I'm surprised that a forum of Beatles fans wouldn't know that the phrase "must not be so" is a Britishism.

 

How are you supposed to know that if you're not British?

Not being British isn't an excuse for me though, as we have the exact same phrase in Dutch..only err..in Dutch obviously.

Yeah, but non-British Beatles fans, if they know who "Mal" is, then certainly they would have picked up on various British colloquialisms by now -- you'd think.

It´s not really a colloquialism and there´s no reason why you would pick up on that, I mean I´m English and I didn´t see that that was what it meant ´till it was pointed out.

 

It may be a case of an old-fashioned expression -- one which Paul would remember, having a father and Aunts coming out of the 1920s/30s/40s, an era practically culturally connected to the 19th century.  "Don't be so!" would be the Victorian schoolmarm admonishing her wayward pupil standing there in his jam-stained pinafores -- where "so" means "like that" or "such a bad boy" etc.

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10 January 2013
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Funny Paper said

fabfouremily said

Funny Paper said

Linde said

Funny Paper said
I'm surprised that a forum of Beatles fans wouldn't know that the phrase "must not be so" is a Britishism.

 

How are you supposed to know that if you're not British?

Not being British isn't an excuse for me though, as we have the exact same phrase in Dutch..only err..in Dutch obviously.

Yeah, but non-British Beatles fans, if they know who "Mal" is, then certainly they would have picked up on various British colloquialisms by now -- you'd think.

It´s not really a colloquialism and there´s no reason why you would pick up on that, I mean I´m English and I didn´t see that that was what it meant ´till it was pointed out.

 

It may be a case of an old-fashioned expression -- one which Paul would remember, having a father and Aunts coming out of the 1920s/30s/40s, an era practically culturally connected to the 19th century.  "Don't be so!" would be the Victorian schoolmarm admonishing her wayward pupil standing there in his jam-stained pinafores -- where "so" means "like that" or "such a bad boy" etc.

I was aware of the expression, I just think that it´s perfectly normal that people didn´t/don´t pick up on it.

 

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10 January 2013
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fabfouremily said

Funny Paper said

fabfouremily said

Funny Paper said

Linde said

Funny Paper said
I'm surprised that a forum of Beatles fans wouldn't know that the phrase "must not be so" is a Britishism.

 

How are you supposed to know that if you're not British?

Not being British isn't an excuse for me though, as we have the exact same phrase in Dutch..only err..in Dutch obviously.

Yeah, but non-British Beatles fans, if they know who "Mal" is, then certainly they would have picked up on various British colloquialisms by now -- you'd think.

It´s not really a colloquialism and there´s no reason why you would pick up on that, I mean I´m English and I didn´t see that that was what it meant ´till it was pointed out.

 

It may be a case of an old-fashioned expression -- one which Paul would remember, having a father and Aunts coming out of the 1920s/30s/40s, an era practically culturally connected to the 19th century.  "Don't be so!" would be the Victorian schoolmarm admonishing her wayward pupil standing there in his jam-stained pinafores -- where "so" means "like that" or "such a bad boy" etc.

I was aware of the expression, I just think that it´s perfectly normal that people didn´t/don´t pick up on it.

 

Well, in certain instances above, it's not merely a matter of passively "not picking up on it" -- but of positively persisting in scratching one's head and wondering why Paul wrote it, and what it means, and why didn't he add something (and even going so far as to imaginatively supply some way to correct the supposed deficiency!).  That bespeaks positive active ignorance of what should be known once one gives a minute's thought to the matter. 

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10 January 2013
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kato1964 said
I wish they'd put "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Penny Lane" on Sgt Pepper's, as originally intended.

I can agree with that. They were basically forced into releasing those as a single so there'd be something to fill the gap between Revolver and Sgt. Pepper. Boggles the mind that 2 songs that great were tossed out as a stopgap single!!!!!!!a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

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11 January 2013
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kato1964 said
I wish they'd put "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Penny Lane" on Sgt Pepper's, as originally intended.

I can agree with that. They were basically forced into releasing those as a single so there'd be something to fill the gap between Revolver and Sgt. Pepper. Boggles the mind that 2 songs that great were tossed out as a stopgap single!!!!!!!a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

I may be wrong, but back in that era, 45s were not considered marginal, but quite pivotal both in terms of consumers wanting them, and musicians/producers making lots of $$$ off of them.  I.e., for a while they were an integral part of music technology/culture.  Prior to 45s, people only had LPs, and back then LPs were even thicker and heavier than they later came to be.  When the 45 was invented and mass-produced, it was a hot sensation, like when 8-tracks first came out, then cassette boomboxes, then CDs, then ipods...

And others can correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect many popular bands and individual musicians put out 45s of songs ("singles") -- even on both A and B sides -- that were not on any LP at the time.

Plus, don't forget that staple of the consumer music scene -- the jukebox in drug stores, bowling alleys, diners, bars, etc.  The jukebox, for the young whippersnappers here, was a console with a pane of glass where the person could see inside a carousel of like 100 45s all lined up and ready to be played (I think by a needle at a right angle), activated by plopping in a coin (not sure how much they charged in the 60s, maybe a nickel or a dime), then pushing two coordinating buttons which were lined up in rows on the front panel, with the name of the song and the artist beside or beneath each button.

I remember my first jukebox experience:  I was 9 years old, living in Acapulco, Mexico (my mother had fled from a divorce to drive a station wagon all the way there from Virginia, with me and my older brother and sister all in tow), and one day I went to the "Big Boy" -- sort of like a McDonald's restaurant -- and I saw on the jukebox panel the "Theme of Hawaii 5-0", my favorite show.  I was a bit disappointed, though; the Ventures version lacked a lot of the "punch" of the TV theme music.

 

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I wasn't trying to imply 45s weren't important. Only that, the impetus for THAT 45 at that time (early '67) was to have SOMETHING out since it had been a while since Revolver was released in '66 and when Sgt. Pepper would be released in '67, and that 2 of their greatest songs EVER were put out as a standalone single. That was all I was trying to say :-)

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11 January 2013
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George Martin has said that one of his biggest mistakes was giving in to pressure to release those as a single.

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parlance said
George Martin has said that one of his biggest mistakes was giving in to pressure to release those as a single.

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IIRC corectly the band were a bit against it, too, but it was Brian's decision to put it out.

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RunForYourLife said
I really wish they'd left John and George's harmony on "Can't Buy Me Love". I love the final version, but I think the harmony gives the song a lot more soul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....9m1ut8jTaE

I wish they'd never decided to transpose it down either.  Macca was surely well capable of handling the vox in the higher key, and it made the whole song more exciting. If it was a guitar issue, they could have used a capo.

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I've never thought of "must not be so" as a Britishism and I've never had any problem with that lyric. It's just a matter of thinking of the word "so" as meaning "status quo", "the way things are", something like that. That's not particularly British...is it?

Sorry, back on topic.

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