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Things you wish they'd done differently...
18 December 2012
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I wish Paul would have let George and Ringo have more involvement in his songs. You can really tell that there was a lot more experimentation (in my opinion) in John's songs compared to Paul's songs, which he just brought to the studio pretty much done (I think I read that somewhere).

I really wish they would have added Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane out as album tracks in Sgt. Pepper. Even though I think the album is fantastic and one of my favourites, it would I think get rid of all that "overrated" non-sense that people always say about the album (although I think it's gone a whole 180 degrees, where its so overrated that it's underrated again)

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sinco said
I wish Paul would have let George and Ringo have more involvement in his songs. You can really tell that there was a lot more experimentation (in my opinion) in John's songs compared to Paul's songs, which he just brought to the studio pretty much done (I think I read that somewhere).

I agree that it is a shame George and Ringo were left out of Paul's songs so much in the latter years, but I don't really think it's Paul's fault- he was simply the kind of person who knew exactly what he wanted, and sometimes what he wanted (particularly during the Pepper era) didn't involve too much lead guitar or whatever. If I was a songwriter as accomplished as Paul McCartney, I'm sure I'd be bringing my songs into the studio finished as well.

 

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18 December 2012
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Ben Ramon said

I agree that it is a shame George and Ringo were left out of Paul's songs so much in the latter years, but I don't really think it's Paul's fault- he was simply the kind of person who knew exactly what he wanted, and sometimes what he wanted (particularly during the Pepper era) didn't involve too much lead guitar or whatever. If I was a songwriter as accomplished as Paul McCartney, I'm sure I'd be bringing my songs into the studio finished as well.

 

Well I do agree that it isn't Paul's fault, but I don't think this has anything to do with Paul being an accomplished songwriter, it has more to do with him being a perfectionist.  John was just as good as Paul but he often had brought in unfinished ideas of songs and let the rest of the band work out their own parts, which I think was the case in songs like Come Together, Hey Bulldog and Rain where its just a brilliant effort by the whole band. Also it might have something to do with the fact that Paul was a more accomplished instrumentalist compared to the rest of the band.

18 December 2012
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Another thing I miss from the Beatles sound throughout their oeuvre is the use of the Hammond B-3 organ -- a staple of many other rock bands (The Doors, Santana, Chicago).

Not only for accompaniment (where it screams to be used in, e.g., Back in the U.S.S.R., or more generally, Tomorrow Never Knows, Got To Get You Into My Life, Taxman) -- but also for solos.  It would have been nice, occasionally, to hear a ripping organ solo (probably Paul could polish one off easy) -- such as with:

I Want You

Helter Skelter

Drive My Car

I've Got a Feeling

and throughout Abbey Road

 

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18 December 2012
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Ben Ramon said, "I wish, wish, wish Paul had elected Come And Get It (or Maybe I'm Amazed if he had written by that time, or in fact anything) as the third track on Abbey Road rather than Maxwell's Silver Hammer."

I agree completely.

Abbey Road is ironically one of the few albums not to have one of McCartney's signature songs.

(Since "Get Back" was already complete, I would have opted for that. Can you imagine how strong an album Abbey Road would have been? )

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18 December 2012
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Oh I dunno, I think AR was pretty strong as it was! Personally, I'd rather they not weakened LIB any more than it was...

I wish they'd recorded (or at least mixed) "Got To Get You Into My Life" differently, with the brass and horns not so dominant. There's some cool guitar in there but it can barely be heard at all...

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18 December 2012
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meanmistermustard said
Mary Jane was going to be a Plastic Ono Band single with You Know My Name but the other fabs wouldnt give permission so Mary Jane stayed in the vaults until Anthology 2 (or until it was bootlegged in about 18 version depending on how you see it) and You Know My ended up as the b-side to Let It Be - well thats the story as i know it. There is a 2 minute 40 odd (i think thats the right length, it was edited way down anyway) second mix of Mary Jane out there by the way.

Wasn't that John Lennon's song? How come others had a say in that?

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19 December 2012
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I wish they hadn't meekly stopped playing after the police had shuffled off the roof, but instead barred the door and broken into a greatest hits set. "No more 'She Loves You' at thirty." Oh, but what if...

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19 December 2012
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Long John Silver said

meanmistermustard said
Mary Jane was going to be a Plastic Ono Band single with You Know My Name but the other fabs wouldnt give permission so Mary Jane stayed in the vaults until Anthology 2 (or until it was bootlegged in about 18 version depending on how you see it) and You Know My ended up as the b-side to Let It Be - well thats the story as i know it. There is a 2 minute 40 odd (i think thats the right length, it was edited way down anyway) second mix of Mary Jane out there by the way.

Wasn't that John Lennon's song? How come others had a say in that?

I may be wrong but it was probably down to the majority rule that was still in place and since You Know My Name was the b-side and that featured all 4 it was very much a beatles track so the others would have had a voice in vetoing the release.

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19 December 2012
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^It was originally for the White Album but got left off, so when he wanted to put it out with You Know My Name as a single, The Beatles rightfully said no since they were both Beatles tracks. How John thought he'd get away with this I don't know...

 

What if they had recorded Cold Turkey like John wanted them to after he wrote it?

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19 December 2012
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DrBeatle said  
What if they had recorded Cold Turkey like John wanted them to after he wrote it?

Well, that might just have ended up on Abbey Road, perhaps instead of "I Want You"?

19 December 2012
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meanmistermustard said
Long John Silver said

meanmistermustard said
Mary Jane was going to be a Plastic Ono Band single with You Know My Name but the other fabs wouldnt give permission so Mary Jane stayed in the vaults until Anthology 2 (or until it was bootlegged in about 18 version depending on how you see it) and You Know My ended up as the b-side to Let It Be - well thats the story as i know it. There is a 2 minute 40 odd (i think thats the right length, it was edited way down anyway) second mix of Mary Jane out there by the way.

Wasn't that John Lennon's song? How come others had a say in that?

I may be wrong but it was probably down to the majority rule that was still in place and since You Know My Name was the b-side and that featured all 4 it was very much a beatles track so the others would have had a voice in vetoing the release.

Couldn't he just re-record it?

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19 December 2012
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Long John Silver said

meanmistermustard said
Long John Silver said

meanmistermustard said
Mary Jane was going to be a Plastic Ono Band single with You Know My Name but the other fabs wouldnt give permission so Mary Jane stayed in the vaults until Anthology 2 (or until it was bootlegged in about 18 version depending on how you see it) and You Know My ended up as the b-side to Let It Be - well thats the story as i know it. There is a 2 minute 40 odd (i think thats the right length, it was edited way down anyway) second mix of Mary Jane out there by the way.

Wasn't that John Lennon's song? How come others had a say in that?

I may be wrong but it was probably down to the majority rule that was still in place and since You Know My Name was the b-side and that featured all 4 it was very much a beatles track so the others would have had a voice in vetoing the release.

Couldn't he just re-record it?

He wrote and recorded it with George as far as I know (and Yoko), so it was technically a Beatles track again. Also, would you really be bothered to re-record something that is essentially just a piece of experimental novelty music? It was somewhat unlikely to get a fantastic reception or shoot to #1. Plus John was notoriously quick to move on from projects and You Know My Name had been dicking around since 1967.

 

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19 December 2012
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Always im not sure going back and rerecording either would fit into their philosophy of the time. And how do you rerecord Whats The New Mary Jane or You Know My Name, they would have been completely different so would defeat the purpose. Might as well record 2 new tracks and not bother with them.

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20 December 2012
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Ben Ramon said

Long John Silver said

meanmistermustard said
Long John Silver said

meanmistermustard said
Mary Jane was going to be a Plastic Ono Band single with You Know My Name but the other fabs wouldnt give permission so Mary Jane stayed in the vaults until Anthology 2 (or until it was bootlegged in about 18 version depending on how you see it) and You Know My ended up as the b-side to Let It Be - well thats the story as i know it. There is a 2 minute 40 odd (i think thats the right length, it was edited way down anyway) second mix of Mary Jane out there by the way.

Wasn't that John Lennon's song? How come others had a say in that?

I may be wrong but it was probably down to the majority rule that was still in place and since You Know My Name was the b-side and that featured all 4 it was very much a beatles track so the others would have had a voice in vetoing the release.

Couldn't he just re-record it?

He wrote and recorded it with George as far as I know (and Yoko), so it was technically a Beatles track again. Also, would you really be bothered to re-record something that is essentially just a piece of experimental novelty music? It was somewhat unlikely to get a fantastic reception or shoot to #1. Plus John was notoriously quick to move on from projects and You Know My Name had been dicking around since 1967.

 

No but since he wanted to release it as a single there was a way to do it.

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John was probably somehow reminded of Mary Jane as it was remixed in '69 so probably an 'in the heat of the moment' idea that fell by the wayside after the veto - "We cant just shove it out? Screw it. Lets make a weird film instead".

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20 December 2012
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I wish they kept the harmonies and the end of Got To Get You Into My Life, with the "I need your love" etc. It's a great version.

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These are all really finickity little things, and I know its wrong to criticise genuis becuase I couldn't ever do a better job, BUT....

 

  • "Said you had a  thing or two to tell me/ How was I to know you would upset me?"- I've always thought "How was I to know you would repel me?" would be a better line, becuase it rhymes but still has the same meaning
  • "I've known this secret for a week or two, nobody knows, just we two,"- Considering how many do/true/you/two rhymes there are in early Beatles songs, why didn't they write it as "nobody knows just me and you," ?
  • I've always thought that Run For Your Life should have ended abruptly, like "That's the end- and then cut off (a la I Want You (She's So Heavy)) becuase its the end of the album
  • "Lift up your hearts and sing me a song...." Why wasn't it "lift you hearts up," becuase it would be similar to the first verse, when the melody goes up on the word, "up"...I think that "hearts," sounds a bit clumsy as the last word in the line
  • Guitar solo on And I Love Her
  • Mr Moonlight....why oh why was Paul allowed on that Hammond organ?

 

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bikelock28 said

  • "I've known this secret for a week or two, nobody knows, just we two,"- Considering how many do/true/you/two rhymes there are in early Beatles songs, why didn't they write it as "nobody knows just me and you," ?

That is a truly dire line anyway- I know it was something of a throwaway, but surely something else could have gone in place of that.

  • I've always thought that Run For Your Life should have ended abruptly, like "That's the end- and then cut off (a la I Want You (She's So Heavy)) becuase its the end of the album

Interesting idea. Or the rest of the band cut off abruptly after "that's the end-uh," and then finish with an a capella "little girl."

Guitar solo on And I Love Her

Really?! I've always thought that solo is beautiful.

 

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I think John should have sang Good Night since he wrote it for his kid. I really don't like that he gave it to Ringo.

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