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The Differences Between John's songs for his sons.
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16 October 2010
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If I understand correctly, John wrote two songs primarily to/for/about his sons.  One was "Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy" for Sean from his solo album Double Fantasy.  The other was "Good Night" for Julian from The Beatles.  It's pretty well known that John was closer to Sean than Julian and it really shows in these two songs.


Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy):

- Featured only a small collection of musicians recording, including John on guitar (I believe).

- The song is specifically about a man's son, and how excited he is to raise him.

- There is a whispered portion where John specifically says: "Good night, Sean.  See you in the morning."

- The main vocals are sung by John.


Good Night:

- Featured a very impersonal orchestra.

- The song is just saying good night, which, being at the end of the album, could simply be a creative way to end it.

- There is a whispered potion where it is specifically said "Good night, everybody.  Everybody, everywhere."

- Oh yeah, Ringo sings it.


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People do change. There's roughly 12 year gap between the two songs. The John of Good Night doesn't feel this is manly thing to do, so he plays it off as a joke. The John of Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy) is thrilled to have a second chance. Cold comfort for Julian, I'm sure, but he did write the song for him even if he was almost too embarrassed to admit it.

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I don't see how an orchestra is "impersonal," or how the fact that Ringo sings "Good Night" means the song is any less sincere. Maybe John just thought it sounded better when Ringo sang it.

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I think Joe said before that it was a shame John didn't write something similar for Julian. I replied that yeah, it's a true shame, but at least 2 Lennon/McCartney songs were inspired by him. One by John, and another by Paul.


I guess you're right about Good Night, it feels like a song that John didn't care much. And considering it was a lullaby to Julian, it really makes me angry. It's one of my least favorite White Album songs.

Mh, maybe I feel neglected by my parents to feel so identified with Julian about that... a-hard-days-night-ringo-7

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Skye is right exactly
Lennon in 1980 would have sung Good night
Good Night is a good to great late period ballad from someone who still appeared to be the violent Beatle. Beautiful Boy is Amazing however!
Why do people hate Good Night
Enlighten Me Please

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

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I think the orchestra makes Good Night well Good

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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