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Strawberry Fields Forever
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The original version had slide guitar and Lennon's fingerpicked electric (listen to takes 1 and 7 on Anthology 2), but they combined it with a drum-heavy take to create the final edit. It's true, there isn't much guitar on it but I still think the arrangement is perfect.

There are the licks at the end, and don't forget Lennon's guitar throughout the first minute.

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Ok, so I read somewhere that John later accused Paul of sabotaging Strawberry Fields Forever. I read somewhere else that Strawberry Fields Forever is about John Lennon's childhood. So I think John told him that and Paul knows about John's childhood. So, Paul thought it should be dark and mysterious. But, John's early takes are bright and happy. I think Paul made the song sound like John's actual childhood, but John meant for it to sound like where he went in his childhood. Strawberry Fields is used to represent John Lennon's mind. When he's in a bad place, he goes to his mind, or, Strawberry Fields, where nothing is real because it's in his head.

 

Really think about that for a second.

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Found a transcript of Johns Playboy in 1980 where John talks about subconscious sabotage.

 

LENNON: The Beatles didn't make a good record of "Across The Universe." I think subconsciously we -- I thought Paul subconsciously tried to destroy my great songs. We would play experimental games with my great pieces, like "Strawberry Fields," which I always felt was badly recorded. It worked, but it wasn't what it could have been. I allowed it, though. We would spend hours doing little, detailed cleaning up on Paul's songs, but when it came to mine -- especially a great song like "Strawberry Fields" or "Across The Universe" -- somehow an atmosphere of looseness and experimentation would come up.

PLAYBOY:Sabotage?

LENNON: Subconscious sabotage. I was too hurt. . . . Paul will deny it, because he has a bland face and will say this doesn't exist. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about where I was always seeing what was going on and began to think, Well, maybe I'm paranoid. But it is not paranoid. It is the absolute truth. The same thing happened to "Across The Universe." The song
was never done properly. The words stand, luckily.

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Hmmm, thanks for that mmm...he is right that there is more of a feel of experimentation in the final products of John's songs as opposed to Paul's, but like John said he allowed it, whereas Paul pushed for the little details and ending up annoying the other members (Maxwell's Silver Hammer). But who would want a cleaned up John Lennon song? Certainly not me. So if anything Paul did a service to John's songs.

Across The Universe is a much more interesting topic than Strawberry Fields because clearly that song could have been done better, but I always wonder if I would like a cleaned up version better. The '68 Anthology version is a pretty magical recording and the song just didn't really fit on Let it Be. But certainly Paul and the others could have shown more of an interest, although John showed little to no interest on the album to begin with so what could he really have expected?

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Certainly in the later years Paul generally had the finished song in his head, however it may have taken 76 takes to get it and driven everyone barmy in the process to get it on record. John was generally more open to ideas for his songs from the other, whether he really wanted to take them on board was another matter entirely. He is on record as saying that Tomorrow Never Knows didnt sound like what he had in his head, that of monks chanting on a hill. George generally had to spur the others to be bothered enough to take his songs seriously.

The problem with Across The Universe is that its such a beautiful other world song how do you record it as the song deserves and requires? Certainly in 1968. I dont recall John saying he found a way of mastering it when helping Bowie out in 1974.

 

And if any song was treated terribly by non-composer Beatles it was George's All Things Must Pass during the Get Back sessions in 1969. John himself couldnt gather up enough enthusiasm for Across The Universe during that time so its no surprise the other 3 couldnt either.

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Was it not George Martin who wished the original dreamy version of SFF was used or was that another song?

 

I think John recorded a demo of Help! at a slower tempo in the 70's as he disliked how the beatles had sped it up to be more 'commercial' in 1965. He certainly expressed his desire to re-record it.

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With Strawberry Fields, maybe they could have made the vocals a touch more prominent, and sorted out the ending a bit. I agree with MMM about the tempo change, musically it's fantastic as a quick listen to the song in a foreign language should verify.

As for Across The Universe, I like the Let It Be arrangement (it's much better than the WWF one). The pacing isn't right on the Anthology version, but John's vocal is bare, which is probably how it should be. Let It Be with a barer vocal would be excellent IMO.

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I would prefer if SFF  in Magical Mystery Tour album was less experimental and more clear like John's Demo from Spain.Although i still like the released version ( in MMT and as a single), i think it's too heavy and has too many music elements...

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