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Songs without actual choruses
8 April 2011
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Oh I got it. I don't think I can do it.. you need an expert like Paulsbass to do it a-hard-days-night-paul-8

 

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9 April 2011
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I thought it said songs with actual choruses….I'm stupid

9 April 2011
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paulsbass said:

Sorry, but I don't completely get your original intention – and the other thing is more fun! ;-)

What I mean is that Paul makes little “doot” noises rather than actual words for the chorus in those songs (Mother Nature’s Son and Rocky Raccoon).

 

 

Zig said:

Blue Nicey said:

You guys are on a roll! What I actually meant by the topic was songs without *lyrics* in the chorus, in which case I think only the two I mentioned qualify. (Not gonna lie, I listened to the whole catalogue today to see if there were more … ) Well, actually, I think Hey Jude also qualifies. But I didn’t even realize that they actually had so many songs without true choruses. Those Beatles, slipping a fast one by us after so many listens!

I’m going to do some more thorough listening tomorrow/this weekend and see if I can come up with any others.

Thanks for throwing yourself on that grenade for us. It must have been tough.neil-aspinall

No matter what your original intention for the thread was, it's still a fun one! Thanks for starting it.mal-evans

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9 April 2011
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Ph.D. said:

I thought it said songs with actual choruses….I'm stupid

Someone with a screen name Ph.D. calling themselves stupid just struck me as hilarious. Thanks so much for starting my day with a laugh!

You're not stupid, just start over.apple01

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9 April 2011
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First, thanks for the praise! heart

And, "expert" or not, as I said neither am I always sure about what's a chorus.

Generally I'd say it's a repeated melody/line after the verses. But I also think it has to have a certain length to count as a full chorus. There's no objective number for this length, so maybe I'm not always right…

 

Anyway, here are the first albums, listing the songs WITH a chorus. I guess there will be MORE chorus songs this time!

Only counting original songs, of course.

 

Please, please me:

I saw her standing there (how could I dance…)

Ask me why (Ask me why…)

Please, please me (Please, please me…)

Love me do (it doesn't have verses, imo, just this chorus and the middle eight. But maybe they're all verses then?!)

PS I love you (PS til you, you, you)

Do you want to know a secret (I guess the I'm in love with you)

That's 6 with a chorus, 2 without

 

With the Beatles:

It won't be long (It won't be long..)

All my loving (All my loving…)

Don't bother me (So go away… although the lyrics change in every chorus)

Little child (Little child…)

Hold me tight (so hold…)

I wanne be your man (wanna be your man…)

Not a second time (no, no, no…) maybe that counts…

That 7 with a chorus, 1 without

 

A hard days night

AHDN (it's been a hard…)

I'm happy just to dance with you (just to dance with you…)

Tell me why (Tell me whyyyyyyy…)

Can't buy me love (Can't buy me love…)

Any time at all (Any time at all…)

I'll cry instead (but I can't/until then…)

Things we said today (someday…)

When I get home (Ooo-ahh…)

You can't do that (I'm gonna let you down…)

I'll be back (I think there are four choruses with slightly different lyrics. Or you say they're the verses and there's no chorus but three different middle-eights…)

That's 10 with a chorus, 3 without

 

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No reply (no reply..)

I'm a loser (I'm a loser…)

Baby's in black (oh, dear…)

I'll follow the sun (but tomorrow may rain…)

Every little thing (every little thing…)

What you're doing (Would it be too much…)

That's 6 with a chorus, 2 without

 

Help:

Help (Help me if…)

The night before (Treat me like…)

You've got to hide your love away (Hey, you've got…)

I need you (Please come on back to me… with slightly different lyrics the other times)

Another girl (I ain't no fool…)

You'Re going to lose that girl (you'e going to..)

Ticket to ride (she's got a…)

It'S only love (it's only love..)

You like me too much (you'll never leave me…)

Tell me what you see (open up your/look into these eyes now…)

I'Ve just seen a face (falling….)

That's 11 with a chorus, 1 without

 

So, all in all, as expected they went more "according to formula" in their early days and made 50 songs with a chorus and just 9 without a chorus!

Quite a change…

But that's our Fab Four!

 

Thanks for reading!

 

 

9 April 2011
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Holy cow paulsbass! 

Exactly how much free time have you had lately? 

There are some of those that I might count as a "refrain" instead of a "chorus" because of how short they are. But still… 

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9 April 2011
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MeanMrsMustard said:

Holy cow paulsbass! 

Exactly how much free time have you had lately? 

There are some of those that I might count as a "refrain" instead of a "chorus" because of how short they are. But still… 

Well, to be honest this didn't take THAT long… the boys were finally sleeping, so I wanted to finish what I'd begun…

In my book a refrain is the excact same thing as a chorus, with no difference whatsoever.

I know, sometimes it's hard to decide: is this the end of each verse or a real "chorus" already?

If you name your examples maybe we get closer to the truth.

But after all, in some cases there may be no solution at all. It's just music…

10 April 2011
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Like "No no no, not a second time." 

My definition of "refrain" is something at the end of each verse that is repeated. My definition of "chorus" is something separate from the verse itself. A chorus is longer than a refrain. 

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11 April 2011
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Here's my list of Beatles songs with choruses:

I Saw Her Standing There
Chains
Boys
Ask Me Why
Please Please Me
Baby It's You
A Taste Of Honey
There's A Place
Twist And Shout

It Won't Be Long
All I've Got To Do
All My Loving
Don't Bother Me
Little Child
Please Mister Postman
Roll Over Beethoven
Hold Me Tight
I Wanna Be Your Man
Devil In Her Heart
Money (That's What I Want)

A Hard Day's Night
I Should Have Known Better
I'm Happy Just To Dance With You
Tell Me Why
Can't Buy Me Love
Any Time At All
When I Get Home

No Reply
I'm A Loser
Baby's In Black
Rock And Roll Music
Eight Days A Week
Honey Don't
Every Little Thing
I Don't Want To Spoil The Party
Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby

Help!
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away
Another Girl
You're Going To Lose That Girl
Ticket To Ride
It's Only Love
Tell Me What You See
I've Just Seen A Face
Dizzy Miss Lizzy

Drive My Car
Nowhere Man
Think For Yourself
The Word
Michelle
What Goes On
Girl
Run For Your Life

Taxman
Eleanor Rigby
Here, There And Everywhere
Yellow Submarine
Good Day Sunshine
For No One
Doctor Robert
Got To Get You Into My Life

With A Little Help From My Friends
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Getting Better
Fixing A Hole
She's Leaving Home

Back In The USSR
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill
Don't Pass Me By
Julia
Birthday
Helter Skelter
Cry Baby Cry

Come Together
Maxwell's Silver Hammer
Here Comes The Sun

Two Of Us
Dig A Pony
I Me Mine
Let It Be
Get Back

Magical Mystery Tour
The Fool On The Hill
Blue Jay Way
Your Mother Should Know
I Am The Walrus
Hello, Goodbye
Strawberry Fields Forever
Penny Lane
Baby You're A Rich Man
All You Need Is Love

She Loves You
I Want To Hold Your Hand
Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand
Sie Liebt Dich
I Call Your Name
Slow Down
Matchbox
I'm Down
Day Tripper
Rain
Revolution
Don't Let Me Down
The Ballad Of John And Yoko

I've generally avoided two-line 'choruses' such as "And all I've got to do/Is thank you girl, thank you girl" – The Beatles did this quite a lot, appending a little refrain onto the end of a verse. I left in I Saw Her Standing There, though. Inconsistent? Yep.

Some are grey areas (is "I'm so glad that she's my little girl" in I Feel Fine a middle section or chorus?)

Sometimes they had a chorus-like section that had different lyrics each time "Now I'm stepping out this old brown shoe"/"For your sweet top lip I'm in the queue"), which would have definitely been a chorus had they used the same words.

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11 April 2011
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The more I think about, the more I conclude that relatively few Beatles tracks have actual choruses, as I would define them – as opposed to reiterations of the title, ("I want to hold your ha-a-a-a-nd/I want to hold your hand")  or one-or-two line bits that function more as part of the verse ("I don't care too much for money/Money can't buy me love"). And if the part that feels like a chorus uses different words throughout like in "Hard Day's Night", that doesn't count either. There are many songs on Joe's list that don't have what I would call a chorus, but that's just my personal limited interpretation.

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11 April 2011
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11 April 2011
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George really doesn't like to write choruses minus the three exceptions in Joe's comment.

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11 April 2011
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Hi Joe!

Thanks for making your own effort with The Quest for the chorus!

I even printed your list to cross-check it with mine. Looks as if we got a lot along the same lines.

 

If you allow I'd like to peacefully disagree on some choices (I won't comment on the covers).

 

First, I know excactly what you meant with being "inconsistent" in the choices! So for example I didn't choose "There's a place" for the same reason you left out others: not a "real" chorus. Same with "All I've got to do".

 

I should have known better – Doesn't have a real chorus imo, the last part is more like a "middle-eight" to me.

Things we said today – Definitely HAS a chorus! I think it doesn't matter if some words change.

You can't do that – If you include All I got to do you have to take this one! ;-)

I'll be back – What's your analysis of this one?

What you're doing – has a chorus, imo, regardless of slightly differing words

I need you – Same here.

Nowhere man – What's the chorus supposed to be here? The first and last have the same chords and melody as the verses, so they can't count. The other ones have quite different lyrics, so I find that hard to decide.

Think for yourself – Don't know how I could forget that! Same with Michelle. And I think I can agree on "The word" (it's so fine)

Goodday sunshine – I can agree on that

Fixing a hole – Disagree. But I agree on Getting better

Back in the USSR – Disagree.

Blackbird – Definitely has a chorus! (Blackbird fly…)

Savoy Truffle – also a chorus! (Well you have to…)

Octopus's garden – chorus! (I'd like to be)

Across the universe – chorus! (Jaj guru…)

One after 909 – chorus!

Two of us – disagree

Your mother should know – questionable, but I can agree on Strawberry Fields, also on Here comes the sun

 

So that's not really much disagreement here!

And funny how two "expert" fans like us both still overlooked some obvious choices!

 

 

 

11 April 2011
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Pah, I wrote a long reply but my browser decided to be dodgy and I think it got lost. Anyway, I can't be bothered to go through each one again, but I was wrong about I Should Have Known Better and Nowhere Man. Most of the others are debatable, but I don't think where where a couple of lines from the verses get repeated (Octopus's Garden/One After 909) that really counts as a chorus. It's just a basic blues technique.

I'll Be Back – no chorus whatsoever. Same with What You're Doing.

Totally forgot about Across The Universe.

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11 April 2011
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paulsbass said:

 

If you allow I'd like to peacefully disagree on some choices (I won't comment on the covers).

 

 

That's funny, paulsbass. Nice work on the list once again. Whether all agree or not, you still put a lot of work into it.

On an unrelated note and a quick derial, you mentioned above "the boys are finally sleeping". How old are your kids?  

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11 April 2011
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paulsbass said:

Things we said today – Definitely HAS a chorus! I think it doesn't matter if some words change.

 

 

 

 

I know this is only one example, but what part of Things We Said Today would you consider the chorus? "Someday when I'm lonely" or "Me, I'm just the lucky kind"?

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11 April 2011
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Joe said:

Pah, I wrote a long reply but my browser decided to be dodgy and I think it got lost. Anyway, I can't be bothered to go through each one again, but I was wrong about I Should Have Known Better and Nowhere Man. Most of the others are debatable, but I don't think where where a couple of lines from the verses get repeated (Octopus's Garden/One After 909) that really counts as a chorus. It's just a basic blues technique.

I'll Be Back – no chorus whatsoever. Same with What You're Doing.

Totally forgot about Across The Universe.

Yeah, that sucks, happened to me before…

While I can partly understand your thoughts about What you're doing and Octopus's Garden (still disagree on the latter, though) I strongly believe the "I said move over once…" part is definitely the chorus in One after 909.

11 April 2011
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Zig said:

On an unrelated note and a quick derial, you mentioned above "the boys are finally sleeping". How old are your kids?

 

2 and a half and 5 and a half. Great guys! They watched me playing and singing in the street for the first time last week and went totally crazy! I think I got my trio in a few years!!

11 April 2011
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GniknuS said:

 

 

I know this is only one example, but what part of Things We Said Today would you consider the chorus? "Someday when I'm lonely" or "Me, I'm just the lucky kind"?

"Someday when I'm lonely" sounds like the chorus to me, but maybe it starts at "then I will remember".

"Me I'm just"… changes rhythm and key (from minor to major) drastically, so it's more like a "middle eight", as the Beatles call it.

11 April 2011
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Spooky. I'm listening to the Beatles in random mode, and I was listening to that part when I saw your post. a-hard-days-night-paul-4

 

edit  : Wait a minute, did you say singing and dancing on the street??? What did you play?

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