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"Revolution" before its time?
21 October 2010
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Does anyone else think "Revolution" (the louder, single version -- not the White Album version) could've fit into the Let it Be, Abbey Road albums? I feel like its got that kind of ... sound.  Maybe better fitting for the boy's later sound at the conclusion of their careers.

 

Of course, lyrically, it was written in '68 during the arguably most tumultuous year of the 60s and revolution was well on everyone's mind, so I guess in that respect, it was well timed...Maybe the song was just a foreshadowing of what was to come...

 

 

does this theory make sense or is it just the result of sleep deprivation? a-hard-days-night-paul-7 

21 October 2010
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Well, The White Album also has helter skelter, which musically is similar to Revolution, with the distorted guitar and all.

21 October 2010
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It was before it's time but it wasn't
He was one of the first pop stars to say anything about politics
But he did jump on a bandwagon so yes and no

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
21 October 2010
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To answer your question, I think it may have been more at home on Let it Be than Abbey Road only because Abbey Road had such a happy feel to it (after the first track).

If it had to go anywhere, I always thought the Second Disc of the White Album would have been better with the louder version of Revolution and the slower version would have gone on the single. Imagine hearing Yer Blues, Helter Skelter and Revolution on the same disc!

Ah, but so many before me have tried to “improve” upon the White Album with other suggestions. george-martin

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21 October 2010
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I'm with Zig: I'd put it on LIB because it's rough and harsh where AR is lush and sunny, "I Want You" aside.

And yeah, I too would prefer to see it on the White Album over either of the other two options; but then I'm ALWAYS wishing that Beatles albums had included their concurrently-released singles

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21 October 2010
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 Zig said:

 

 Imagine hearing Yer Blues, Helter Skelter and Revolution on the same disc!


 


Hah! This blows my mind! a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I am now on board for this White Album business
22 October 2010
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Zig said:

Imagine hearing Yer Blues, Helter Skelter and Revolution on the same disc!

 


I could imagine that. And every time I do I smile a little.

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22 October 2010
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Interesting. Since I have a playlist with the singles mixed with the albums, I've always considered Revolution as "part" of the White Album.

 

Another example is Rain... it could've worked as a single before the White Album...

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie…… Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower… Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go. Beware of Darkness…  I believe in SH...
22 October 2010
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Yeah, mithveaen - I could definitely hear Rain fading down while the plane engine from Back In The USSR fades up. I still prefer it where it belongs just before Taxman, but I will give it a listen. Thanks! 

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22 October 2010
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Zig said:

Imagine hearing Yer Blues, Helter Skelter and Revolution on the same disc!

 


When I was watching Paul McCartney at the Isle of Wight festival earlier this year with my nan, Macca was playing Helter Skelter. He then went on to play Let it Be, and my nan said, "Oh thank goodness, an oldie!"despite Let it Be being released after Helter Skelter.

 

Just goes to show how futuristic Helter Skelter must have sounded.

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24 October 2010
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And "Tomorrow Never Knows" still sounds futuristic.

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Why does everyone love Tomorrow Never Knows?

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
25 October 2010
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

Why does everyone love Tomorrow Never Knows?


Because it's a masterpiece.
You all will have read that Dave Dee is no longer with us. But Mickey and Titch and I would like to carry on the good work that's always gone down in number two.
27 October 2010
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I love Tomorrow Never Knows because it's very John. Weird, crazy, awesome. There's nothing else like this. Besides, the loops and the strange sounds work perfectly. a-hard-days-night-john-1

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27 October 2010
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I think that Revolution lyrically is the wrong message to give to people. John talks about revolution within our society as being the change that needs to occur, but I think that society is just an illusion, we create these walls and bridges (har har) that seperate us as people by saying my God is better than your God, my bank account is larger than your bank account, my life has more value than your life and on and on. I'm prettier than you, I'm smarter than you, it's all bullshit intended to keep us at war with each other. I can only speak for myself, but I'm a 22 year old product of the American society, and almost all of my decisions are based off of fear. The fear of fitting in, the fear of making money to live in society, the fear of judgement from whoever. I've been limiting myself in order to fulfill some notion of who I'm supposed to be or who others see me as, but I've been missing the big picture of seeing myself. All You Need Is Love, as corny as it sounds John got it right, and it starts with love of ones self otherwise we have no chance for any type of revolution.

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27 October 2010
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hmmm… GniknuS, lots of interesting ideas…give me a minute – 

 

I think there are a lot of ways to interpret "Revolution"… John himself didn't even really take a particular side in the matter, hence the whole "count me out/in" debacle (I tried to find the quote where he talks about this, but I haven't the time–I think it's on Dick Cavett…)

What I gather from the song is not that Johnny's promoting violent revolution or any kind of fear-based whatever. In fact, quite the opposite:

"you say you want a revolution/well you know/we all wanna change the world…" 

As I said earlier, 1968 was the peak of the 60s. The driving force behind that generation was social change. You have all these radical groups who all want peace, but they all demonstrate in their own special way. Some took a non-violent approach (sit-ins, for example) But a popular new approach was a "bringing the war home" strategy (look up The Weather Underground). What this entailed was bombing public buildings trying to stir people up into getting involved with the movement… The idea was that the old ways of doing things were not going to bring around social change and that a revolution was needed, stat.

and then there's The Beatles… 

What I'm trying to say is that John was calling out the violent protesters, stating lyrically, with "Revolution" to just calm down and "everything's gonna be alright" — its a peaceful song, y'know? Its really not a message that far off from "All You Need Is Love" -- "Revolution" is AYNIL taken to a more complex level, thats all. 

27 October 2010
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GniknuS said:

I think that Revolution lyrically is the wrong message to give to people. John talks about revolution within our society as being the change that needs to occur, but I think that society is just an illusion, we create these walls and bridges (har har) that seperate us as people by saying my God is better than your God, my bank account is larger than your bank account, my life has more value than your life and on and on. I'm prettier than you, I'm smarter than you, it's all bullshit intended to keep us at war with each other. I can only speak for myself, but I'm a 22 year old product of the American society, and almost all of my decisions are based off of fear. The fear of fitting in, the fear of making money to live in society, the fear of judgement from whoever. I've been limiting myself in order to fulfill some notion of who I'm supposed to be or who others see me as, but I've been missing the big picture of seeing myself. All You Need Is Love, as corny as it sounds John got it right, and it starts with love of ones self otherwise we have no chance for any type of revolution.


I disagree

Revolution says to change society  By peaceful methods to stop the bullshit intended to keep us at war with each other.

at least that's the way i see it.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
29 October 2010
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DoctorRobert said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Why does everyone love Tomorrow Never Knows?


Because it's a masterpiece.
 

And because it's freaking brilliant. Do you not like it? :O

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30 October 2010
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It's an okay track
Note that on tracks I can very easily change my opinion
Like I used to hate I Am The Walrus, now I love it

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31 October 2010
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RainyDayWoman said:

hmmm… GniknuS, lots of interesting ideas…give me a minute – 

 

I think there are a lot of ways to interpret "Revolution"… John himself didn't even really take a particular side in the matter, hence the whole "count me out/in" debacle (I tried to find the quote where he talks about this, but I haven't the time–I think it's on Dick Cavett…)

What I gather from the song is not that Johnny's promoting violent revolution or any kind of fear-based whatever. In fact, quite the opposite:

"you say you want a revolution/well you know/we all wanna change the world…" 

As I said earlier, 1968 was the peak of the 60s. The driving force behind that generation was social change. You have all these radical groups who all want peace, but they all demonstrate in their own special way. Some took a non-violent approach (sit-ins, for example) But a popular new approach was a "bringing the war home" strategy (look up The Weather Underground). What this entailed was bombing public buildings trying to stir people up into getting involved with the movement… The idea was that the old ways of doing things were not going to bring around social change and that a revolution was needed, stat.

and then there's The Beatles… 

What I'm trying to say is that John was calling out the violent protesters, stating lyrically, with "Revolution" to just calm down and "everything's gonna be alright" — its a peaceful song, y'know? Its really not a message that far off from "All You Need Is Love" -- "Revolution" is AYNIL taken to a more complex level, thats all. 


Sure, I'm not saying that John was promoting a fear based or violent revolution, but when asked about the song itself, he said things like we don't have to change all of society, just some of it in order to achieve any sort of revolution, but I just disagree with that. Real revolution isn't going to come with some bullshit change of electing a new president and expecting them to change anything. The only way presidents and politicians win elections is because of the money they receive for their campaigns from "anonymous" donors, so they are basically already selling out to the corporations before they are elected president, and if we're being honest about it, the corporations run our society, not the government. So I just think is that the only way to achieve real revolution is to get as far away from the word revolution as we can because I think the word revolution implies the wrong message. Revolution is revolting against the powers that be, and it basically implies that violence is the key to achieve any type of real revolution. So whether John meant that to be the message of the song is irrelevant because people will just hear the word revolution and make their own assumption of what the song is meant for. I don't dislike the lyrics, I just don't like the label of Revolution being put on the song.

I think John has some incredible revolutionary songs like Working Class Hero and Isolation which have had far more impact on me personally because their messages have made me really think about my life. Working Class Hero is the perfect song about the machinery of being processed into the middle class and Isolation's message is more true now than ever because of how isolated most of my generation is from one another because of how small our world is getting. So I just think that those songs are more revolutionary then Revolution is, but just because the song itself is called Revolution people expect it to have some profound answer in it and therefore regard it more highly than those other songs.

Sorry I've been rambling, but we just need a change in society. We need a cultural revolution, a new Beatles to come and change the world with positivity rather than negativity.

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