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Paul to work on another John track?
9 October 2012
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http://www.express.co.uk/posts.....Jeff-Lynne

 

Do you guys think it will happen?  How do you feel about it?

I think it would be great to hear, but probably should not be a "Beatles" track.  

9 October 2012
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Is this the song they're talking about? 

And yes, I hope Paul finish it! That would be awesome!

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I thought the abandoned recording was called "All For Love", but that is a great song that you posted!  Never had heard it.  I wouldn't mind hearing Paul on that.

9 October 2012
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Yes please.

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9 October 2012
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Mark this down as not going to happen ever. Paul has a history of saying things that excite some folk (eg Carnival Of Light) but never see the light of day.

And anyway whats the point? To hear Paul in 2013 duet with John from 1980 on a home record? We got FAAB and RL which were ok (taking away the whole Beatles record again emotional factor), let that be the end of it.

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9 October 2012
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It was in the ELO/Jeff Lynne documentary that the BBC broadcast last weekend: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/e.....e_and_ELO/

Some of the nuance of McCartney's words may have been lost in the Express report. He talks about the song and says "And there was another one that we started working on, but George went off it. [grumpy voice] 'Fucking hell, fucking rubbish, this is.' 'No George, it's John.' 'It's still fucking rubbish.' [laughter] OK then. So that ones still lingering around, so I'm going to nick in with Jeff and finish it one of these days."

He was joking. It may happen, but it was a throwaway comment regardless.

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meanmistermustard said
And anyway whats the point? To hear Paul in 2013 duet with John from 1980 on a home record? We got FAAB and RL which were ok (taking away the whole Beatles record again emotional factor), let that be the end of it.

I understand that there are mixed feelings about those 2 songs. I would not put them in the same class as any epic Fab songs, but I do like them.

How's this for a radical idea? We all know that Macca likes to do project albums every once in a while (i.e. Kisses...). While that is quaint and all, I propose he do an entire album of duets with John's previously unreleased material.

*ducks to dodge the stones being heaved by mmm*

I realize there may not be a ton of salvageable material to work with, but surely enough to comprise an album. It may be just me, but I'd rather hear an album of this type of material versus old standards that Jimmy Mac used to play in the McCartney home all those years ago.

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Zig said

meanmistermustard said
And anyway whats the point? To hear Paul in 2013 duet with John from 1980 on a home record? We got FAAB and RL which were ok (taking away the whole Beatles record again emotional factor), let that be the end of it.

I understand that there are mixed feelings about those 2 songs. I would not put them in the same class as any epic Fab songs, but I do like them.

How's this for a radical idea? We all know that Macca likes to do project albums every once in a while (i.e. Kisses...). While that is quaint and all, I propose he do an entire album of duets with John's previously unreleased material.

*ducks to dodge the stones being heaved by mmm*

I realize there may not be a ton of salvageable material to work with, but surely enough to comprise an album. It may be just me, but I'd rather hear an album of this type of material versus old standards that Jimmy Mac used to play in the McCartney home all those years ago.

Thoughts? Be nice.a-hard-days-night-john-1

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I love that idea Zig.  

I know a lot of people would be all up in arms over it, but oh well.  It will never happen... too much would be riding on it in my mind.  It would be odd too because of the time that has passed, but how could you say no to the idea? 

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He´ll never do it because people would say that he was using John just to sell the record, the idea is nice though. Imagine if the last album/single that he released had him and John on it, that would be special.

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Can someone explain how or why it would be a good idea to hear Paul in 2013 singing along to a John demo? I dont get it. Where is the attraction to fans - oh its John and Paul so it must be good regardless of every part of it screaming pointless. We have the beatles tracks where they sing together and they are amazing; those harmonies in RL & FAAB are the best things about them; cant we let that be the end of it and delight in the legacy we are left with?

And where does it end?

Do we start cutting and pasting bits of a rejected George solo from an unreleased song to a John demo and add new drumming from Ringo and Pauls bass alongside harmonies? When Paul and Ringo are gone do we go even further and make new tracks from scraps of discarded studio crap all to appease our longing for all things Beatle? Why not just go back to Im The Greatest and lump a Paul part on an outtake, who gives a rats arse if its any good, hey its the beatles we can pretend its a lost song and only adds to their greatness.

I hate all this fantasy stuff.

 

I remember one of the Beatles, i believe John, replying to the question of a reunion by saying that we have all the records and it would never be enough or good enough if they went back and did it. There would be too much expectation. I totally agree with that - hey look whats being discussed and reported (even if out of context).

I know John was thinking of meeting up with the others and doing something but that ended when John was killed. We miss John a heck of a lot, he died far too young and was taken in the shittiest way possible, i hate what happened but this idea of bringing him back thru new means - man i hate it. Let his memory stand for what he gave us, all the good and hope and joy and delight that we feel when we listen to the Beatles and the solo work, but no more of this awful guff of new crap just so we can close our eyes and think "ooh a beatle harmony - wonderful".

The reunion in the 90's was great, we got to revisit Beatlemania, folk got to experience the thrill of a new Beatles record, and it was awesome (the songs were good). But that is only possible once. Its been done so the thrill has gone.

And before folk say its only John and Paul, no its not. Its two beatles and they will measured and tossed into that bracket by everyone regardless of how much its not intended. I dont buy into the beatles catalogue should be treated as holy and untouchable but some things shouldnt be gone near at a distance of 60 feet.

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Two replies to that MMM.

 

For one, I don't think people assume it will be great because its 2 of the 4 Beatles.  Sure it will be measured that way, but I think more people (at least the people who post here) will have the sense to go "Oh, this isn't The Beatles but its kind of neat"  It would just be an interesting idea.

Plus, we don't have any idea what Macca is thinking, or planning to do.  Sure he has said some things that do not pan out. But maybe to him its more personal and he wants to take part in that?  We can leave that for him to decide, and if it does happen people will kick and scream, and people will embrace it with open arms.  Furthermore people won't just start throwing things together and calling it part of the definitive catalog.  Anthology gave us a look at "Not Guilty" for instance.  Great song, and pretty much done to the point where with some minor tweaking it could be a "Beatles" track.  However you don't see people going "Not Guilty, thats a definitive Beatles record".  It was great to hear, and we can all think "what if..." all day, but ultimately its just another track on Anthology.  

 

Point two: I personally didn't know what Anthology was when it first came out.  I was 4, maybe 5 at the time.  So I never relived "Beatlemania" in the 90's.  In fact my whole sense of Beatlemania is second hand and preserved in countless pictures, live recordings, films, and their records of course.  And when I realized what Anthology actually was, it wasn't such a huge amount of time that I was blown away by it.  Conceptually its huge, 69 to 95 is a huge amount of time between "Beatles" tracks, but to me it was a matter of weeks or months.  

Point being, to hear John and Paul on a "new" recording would blow my mind.  I certainly respect where you are coming from, and wish to preserve the fab four as they were and will be into the future.  But to me it would be entirely new in a way.  

I am the kind of person who always wonders "what if they stuck around for just one more..." and I make up some story in my head, and make an album from solo stuff they did and its fun to think that way.  I have written about 3 pages of a story and abandoned it, because when I really stop to think about it I realize that what happened, happened.  And although its sad and I want the Beatles story to go on, I know no matter how much I wonder what if, it never will.  So I respect that where The Beatles ended-  John, Paul, George, and Ringo began their own lives and events.  But that aching feeling of continuation turns in my stomach, and to hear a "new" track with John and Paul on it would be a thrill.  Certainly not The Beatles, but a thrill.

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Fabfouremily's right. If Paul did an album like that everybody would be saying he has nothing good left of himself so now he has to go and take John's music. I really like Kisses on the Bottom, and I would definitely rather have Kisses than I would an album of Paul adding things to unreleased songs of John's. They took the best unreleased songs Yoko had when they did Free As A Bird and Real Love, and as much as I like those songs, if those are the best ones then an album of that would be terrible.

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9 October 2012
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 linkjws said

Two replies to that MMM.

For one, I don't think people assume it will be great because its 2 of the 4 Beatles.  Sure it will be measured that way, but I think more people (at least the people who post here) will have the sense to go "Oh, this isn't The Beatles but its kind of neat"  It would just be an interesting idea.

Plus, we don't have any idea what Macca is thinking, or planning to do.  Sure he has said some things that do not pan out. But maybe to him its more personal and he wants to take part in that?  We can leave that for him to decide, and if it does happen people will kick and scream, and people will embrace it with open arms.  Furthermore people won't just start throwing things together and calling it part of the definitive catalog.  Anthology gave us a look at "Not Guilty" for instance.  Great song, and pretty much done to the point where with some minor tweaking it could be a "Beatles" track.  However you don't see people going "Not Guilty, thats a definitive Beatles record".  It was great to hear, and we can all think "what if..." all day, but ultimately its just another track on Anthology.  

 Not Guilty was included as part of the Anthology 3 release, packaged in a way that it was clear it was an outtake from the White Album sessions and thats how its view. If Paul was to release a new track with John it would be viewed as part of his catalogue, i dont see a way it wouldnt be.

 

If Paul wants to go back there then thats up to him but where is the benefit apart from revisiting his 20's? As fabfouremily said he will get battered by most and so many will say he's living off John. Not that i wont want to hear them and would probably buy it.

 

Point two: I personally didn't know what Anthology was when it first came out.  I was 4, maybe 5 at the time.  So I never relived "Beatlemania" in the 90's.  In fact my whole sense of Beatlemania is second hand and preserved in countless pictures, live recordings, films, and their records of course.  And when I realized what Anthology actually was, it wasn't such a huge amount of time that I was blown away by it.  Conceptually its huge, 69 to 95 is a huge amount of time between "Beatles" tracks, but to me it was a matter of weeks or months. 

Point being, to hear John and Paul on a "new" recording would blow my mind.  I certainly respect where you are coming from, and wish to preserve the fab four as they were and will be into the future.  But to me it would be entirely new in a way. 

I am the kind of person who always wonders "what if they stuck around for just one more…" and I make up some story in my head, and make an album from solo stuff they did and its fun to think that way.  I have written about 3 pages of a story and abandoned it, because when I really stop to think about it I realize that what happened, happened.  And although its sad and I want the Beatles story to go on, I know no matter how much I wonder what if, it never will.  So I respect that where The Beatles ended-  John, Paul, George, and Ringo began their own lives and events.  But that aching feeling of continuation turns in my stomach, and to hear a "new" track with John and Paul on it would be a thrill.  Certainly not The Beatles, but a thrill.

Again where does it end?

I totally understand the excitement in hearing a 'new' John and Paul recording but folk from every generation are going to want to feel that and wish they had. So should something come out every 10/20/30 years to meet those feelings? Its insane.

Im sure John said sorry to all those who missed the beatles live in the 60's but that they had the records and stuff (Rolling Stone interview?). 

We've all read that John was hoping to go back on the road and was possibly thinking of doing something with the others but it might not have happened, everything after John was killed is pure and utter speculation. Coming to think of it is there anything direct from John that says he was thinking of working with Paul, George and Ringo. These are Johns comments on a beatles reunion as told to Playboy in 1980 and he isnt that up for a Beatle reunion from the sound of it (not that John wasnt one for saying one thing one day and then doing it a few months later).

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You can't keep trying to recreate the Beatles every 10 years just because there are fans who would like it. Honestly, the fact they might release this is beyond me. Totally beyond me. If Paul wants to fiddle around, see how it'd sound, that's his right. But don't release it Paul. It's a joke.

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meanmistermustard said
 

 Not Guilty was included as part of the Anthology 3 release, packaged in a way that it was clear it was an outtake from the White Album sessions and thats how its view. If Paul was to release a new track with John it would be viewed as part of his catalogue, i dont see a way it wouldnt be.

If Paul wants to go back there then thats up to him but where is the benefit apart from revisiting his 20's? As fabfouremily said he will get battered by most and so many will say he's living off John. Not that i wont want to hear them and would probably buy it.

 

Again where does it end?

I totally understand the excitement in hearing a 'new' John and Paul recording but folk from every generation are going to want to feel that and wish they had. So should something come out every 10/20/30 years to meet those feelings? Its insane.

Im sure John said sorry to all those who missed the beatles live in the 60's but that they had the records and stuff (Rolling Stone interview?). 

We've all read that John was hoping to go back on the road and was possibly thinking of doing something with the others but it might not have happened, everything after John was killed is pure and utter speculation. Coming to think of it is there anything direct from John that says he was thinking of working with Paul, George and Ringo. These are Johns comments on a beatles reunion as told to Playboy in 1980 and he isnt that up for a Beatle reunion from the sound of it (not that John wasnt one for saying one thing one day and then doing it a few months later).

 

Yeah, I understand where you are coming from regarding Anthology.  It would forever be "John and Paul's song" if it were released and thats not fair to John in a way.  I guess we would all love to hear it, but there is too much weight with it...

 

Also, the comments regarding 10/20/30 years from now are sad, but very true.  Fans can't expect to unearth The Beatles every time they want that moment because we think we are entitled somehow.  Acceptance is the hardest part, and I am so late to the party haha.  At least we'll always have what they did.  

So I guess my position has changed.  I'd listen to it, but I think its best to just appreciate what wonderful music they gave us as The Beatles, and as individuals.  

 

PLAYBOY: "Was that the last time you saw Paul?"

LENNON: "Yes, but I didn't mean it like that."

 

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Zig said

meanmistermustard said
And anyway whats the point? To hear Paul in 2013 duet with John from 1980 on a home record? We got FAAB and RL which were ok (taking away the whole Beatles record again emotional factor), let that be the end of it.

I understand that there are mixed feelings about those 2 songs. I would not put them in the same class as any epic Fab songs, but I do like them.

How's this for a radical idea? We all know that Macca likes to do project albums every once in a while (i.e. Kisses...). While that is quaint and all, I propose he do an entire album of duets with John's previously unreleased material.

*ducks to dodge the stones being heaved by mmm*

I realize there may not be a ton of salvageable material to work with, but surely enough to comprise an album. It may be just me, but I'd rather hear an album of this type of material versus old standards that Jimmy Mac used to play in the McCartney home all those years ago.

Thoughts? Be nice.a-hard-days-night-john-1

Paul would just get trashed for trying to cash in on the "Lennon genius." It would be nice, but I can't ever see it happening.

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I don't think if we need yet another "beatles" song. Free As A Bird and Real Love are enough imo. I would prefer to hear the many still unreleased tracks of wings (cold cuts, the other songs from the red rose speedway double lp) and i'm sure there are stillmany awesome ones by john too, although some have been released (Real Love, Free As A Bird, menlove ave.) I think Free As A Bird is a quite boring song, Real Love is one of my favourite beatles songs though

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Yeah, I can't see the point of this either. Those two "Anthology" resurrections weren't great but the very least they had a novelty/symbolic appeal: All Four Beatles Make A "New" Record! And as long as the three survivors were involved, you could rationalize that they "might" have persuaded John to release those records. (Or at least outvoted him.) By comparison, Paul turning a John solo song into a DUET comes across as pure egotism. Not a good idea.

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I agree.  Going back to the well at this point smack of shameless exploitation, even if it might be something to cross-promote some of the 50th-anniversary releases.

"Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" were pleasant but ultimately unnecessary.

 

I'd suggest that Paul mine his solo years for outtakes, demos and whatnot, but having heard a lot of it there really isn't a lot of quality material out there.

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