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Norwegian Wood and Eleanor Rigby
1 April 2010
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I was watching a press conference on Youtube, and one of the reporters asked Paul if Norwegian Wood was about a lesbian.

Another question was asked to John what Eleanor Rigby was about. John being a clown and all said it was about 2 queers.

 

I can't help but wonder if any of their songs were about the "gay community". Any comments?

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1 April 2010
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'You've Got To Hide Your Love Away' has been claimed to be about Brian Epstein, although I'm not sure that's true. There's a thread about it.

'Baby You're A Rich Man' was also said to be about Brian, although that has nothing to do with his homosexuality, although John apparently did sing "Baby you're a rich fag Jew" on one of the lines.

The Beatles mostly wrote songs about boys who liked girls and girls who liked boys. Homosexual songs would have been uncommercial, especially in America. The Beatles weren't gay so I doubt they would write songs about gays. 'Norwegian Wood' and 'Elearnor Rigby' definitely were't about homosexuality.

1 April 2010
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I really think that was just a bit of fooling around on both their parts. Norweigan Wood, being on Rubber Soul, seems a bit too early for the boys to be "advocates" of anything- I'm pretty sure that was all in jest. I recall there to have been a lot of laughing in that interview...

For Eleanor Rigby, the Lennon wit gets thrown into any seemingly frank answer, so I think it was just the ol' sarcasm bit. 

Though, I could be mistaken, who knows! I'm sure Joe will clear things up.
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1 April 2010
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How about Boys? It was unintentional, sure, but it's still a girl song sung by a guy.

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1 April 2010
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skye said:

How about Boys? It was unintentional, sure, but it's still a girl song sung by a guy.


 

Well they at least changed the pronouns in the verses to be about a boy liking a girl... but then the chorus was "I"m talking 'bout Boys!" It does sound a little strange.

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skye said:

How about Boys? It was unintentional, sure, but it's still a girl song sung by a guy.


 

I noticed that when I listened to it, but really didn't think much of it. I think if any of their songs were about queers it was to be funny, not to express their sexuality.

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1 April 2010
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I've not got much to add here, apart from this:

I always found it hilarious that John would sing a love song to Ringo. I guess it was scripted that he'd sing *a* song, and when they came to filming that was one they hadn't used elsewhere.

(I also never noticed how George leans on the amplifier which gives way beneath him, at 1'30. How funny)

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1 April 2010
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Ah J/R. An often overlooked Beatle pairing. Their love is so epic and true.

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1 April 2010
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skye said:

Ah J/R. An often overlooked Beatle pairing. Their love is so epic and true.


 

Help! - John and Ringo in a lift:

a-hard-days-night-ringo-7 What was it that first attracted you to me?

a-hard-days-night-john-2 Well, you're very polite, aren't you?

1 April 2010
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McLerristarr said:  

Help! - John and Ringo in a lift:

a-hard-days-night-ringo-7 What was it that first attracted you to me?

a-hard-days-night-john-2 Well, you're very polite, aren't you?


 

Funny scene!a-hard-days-night-john-6

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Q: "Yeah, your friends..."
John: "Yes, all your best friends let you
know what's going on. I was trying to put it 'round that I was gay, you
know-- I thought that would throw them off... dancing at all the gay
clubs in Los Angeles, flirting with the boys... but it never got off the
ground."
Q: "I think I've only heard that lately about Paul."
John:
"Oh, I've had him, he's no good."

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1 April 2010
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Speaking of:

Hah! This one got an out-loud guffaw!

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2 April 2010
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Alissa said:

Speaking of:

Hah! This one got an out-loud guffaw!


 

Yea, I LOL'd!

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11 April 2010
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Well, there's "Get Back:"

Sweet Loretta Martin thought she was a woman

But she was another man.

 

And "Ob La Di, Ob La Da":

Desmond stays at home and does his pretty face

And in the evening she's a singer in the band.

12 April 2010
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Celebrated_Mr_K said:

Well, there's "Get Back:"

Sweet Loretta Martin thought she was a woman

But she was another man.


 

I thought she was a frying pan...

12 April 2010
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iCaramba said:

Celebrated_Mr_K said:

Well, there's "Get Back:"

Sweet Loretta Martin thought she was a woman

But she was another man.


 

I thought she was a frying pan...


 

*snort* Wrong thread.a-hard-days-night-ringo-10

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12 April 2010
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Norwegian Wood is a technical design term. Kinda like Colonial or Counrty Casual. John said he wrote it about a girl who had her own job and bought all this fancy wood shelving and had no actual chairs to sit on. She laughed and went off to bed - is talkin about the  women's lib movement and how independent women are getting. He has that last laugh tho, when she goes to work he breaks up the shelves and burns them for heat.

 

Elanor Rigby is exactlly what it says its about. A sad onely woman that nobody loves. All the lonely people, what ahs happened to make them that way? It's Paul at his best.

 

Yep, Obladi Oblada mentions a crossdresser. it ws a mistake that worked so the went with it. I could see John saying this tongue in cheek after seeing acrossdresser or transvestite type out on the street. "wonk wonk nudge nudge " kind of thing.

 

Wow, I said something here. Cool, I lke this board !!!! //oo\\

 Might be typos, I think faster than I type. I apologize in adavace for  any future postings.... ttyl....

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Did Father MacKenzie MURDER Eleanor Rigby?? Think about it: She died IN the church, not "she died and had her funeral in the church". And she's buried in a shallow grave on the church grounds, along with her name and any ID she may have had on her, and afterward Mackenzie wipes the dirt from his hands, trying to cleanse himself of the evidence; but it's no use, he won't be saved. Fill in the rest of the lurid details yourselves.

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Only by doing little in her life - one of the many distant figures who knew her but didnt know her, probably doing the small talk and the sympathy as and when required. My reading of it is that when Eleanor was buried every part of her existence died with her, she had no one else, no kids, no husband, nothing, certainly not around anyway ("Waits at the window, wearing the face that she keeps in a jar by the door. Who is it for?"). The theme of the song is loneliness in society for the eldery and it comes across to me that Father MacKenzie did little to ease her's, the wiping his hands of the dirt showing him moving on and absolving himself from her death, he had done his duty as a member of the Church but little outside of that. 

McKenzie seemed to be past the point of caring so maybe he had lost his zeal for his role as 'Father' due to nobody atttending the services and hearing his sermons and that had led to his apathy. 

There were reports at the time that Eleanor Rigby was a comment on the deminishing role of the church within society, how it had stopped being the central point of the community - there probably still are. 

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vonbontee said "Did Father MacKenzie MURDER Eleanor Rigby??"

 

Yes, "Eleanor Rigby" - the modern version: Eleanor catches Father McKenzie fooling around with little boys; he has to kill her.

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