The Beatles Bible - Topic: Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/ Simple:Press Version 5.2.6 RunForYourLife on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67274 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67274 McCartney played lead on "Paperback Writer" because they liked how his Casino distorted. I assume that this was the impetus for Lennon and Harrison to acquire theirs.

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Beatlebob63 said
 He gave away the Fender after Help.  Fender was trying to land him(and them) but Lennon didn't bite.

 

 

But isn't Fender considered a lot better guitar than Epiphone?

]]> Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:23:35 +0000 mja6758 on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67085 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67085 They often spoke of how British "cutters" had problems with the bass end that American "cutters" could get. A "cutter" was the person who transferred the master tape to the metal disc the records were cut from. It was not until fellow Liverpudlian George Peckham (aka "Porky") started cutting their discs that they got the bass end they were searching for. They loved him so much they took him to Apple, and he went on to become a legend when he started carving little messages into the discs. A fascinating character who started out in a Merseybeat band before becoming ...]]> Fri, 01 Mar 2013 17:59:14 +0000 RunForYourLife on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67081 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67081 Here is the outtake in question...

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Ebmn0t2lWX

On second thought, he could be referring to the weight, as he was used to his tiny, hollow Rickenbacker. This is also purported to be an outtake from "In My Life" which isn't a very "heavy" song.

 

As for "Ticket To Ride", he also claimed that the mix didn't do the song justice, and that it sounded "heavier" when they recorded it. I don't know if "heavy metal" would be the right term to use, but there is a sort of a big, "heavy", droning sound to it.

]]> Fri, 01 Mar 2013 17:29:56 +0000 Beatlebob63 on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67079 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67079 Great link on the blue Strat, I agree..... That's the one John used to play the opening chime to TTR, I listed credits for the song instrumentation somewhere up there in a thread.  This is cool link. I agree, I think he was referring to the sound as well being 'heavy' on the Strat, not the weight as you guys mentioned, absolutely agree.  That's why he considered that song(even in '80) the bomb, the first heavy metal effort from anyone.  That's true.  Great picture of him and Paul.  He gave away the Fender after Help.  Fender was trying to land him(and ...]]> Fri, 01 Mar 2013 17:22:14 +0000 vonbontee on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67073 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67073 Are you sure he wasn't referring to the literal weight of the Strat? I'm not sure if "heavy" was being used to describe a guitar tone in 1965. And John wasn't exactly buff, so any excess weight might've been too much!

(On the other hand, who knows? Maybe John himself was actually one of the pioneers in describing a guitar tone as heavy? This would certainly reinforce his contention that TTR was one of the first heavy metal records! A designation that's always left me pretty baffled, I have to say.)

]]> Fri, 01 Mar 2013 17:00:58 +0000 RunForYourLife on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67019 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67019 There's an outtake from Rubber Soul where he describes it as "heavy" but I believe he's referring to the sound, and not the actual weight, as I have a Strat, and it's not particularly heavy.

 

I know that they avoided Strats for a while because they didn't want to be compared to The Shadows.

]]> Fri, 01 Mar 2013 06:24:13 +0000 Long John Silver on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67004 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p67004 Cheers Into the Sky with Diamonds, hope you liked it.

 

Yeah it is interesting colour, but not sure why he didn't he used it more, or  maybe he wasn't satisfied with it?

]]> Fri, 01 Mar 2013 01:52:45 +0000 Into the Sky with Diamonds on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p66993 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-3/#p66993 Great link, Long John Silver.

I had no idea Lennon had ever used a Strat. I wonder if Fender even knew.

Interesting color.... I suppose, if the story is true, that perhaps that was the only color the store had 2 of.

Mind you, Steve Winwood seems to have always used a powder blue Strat.

]]> Fri, 01 Mar 2013 01:03:35 +0000 Long John Silver on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66971 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66971 http://www.guitarnews.it/blog/.....h-version/

 

About John's stratocaster. if anyone is interested.

]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:19:07 +0000 Beatlebob63 on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66968 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66968 Ok, Ok, Mean Mr. Mustard is right...no more bashing...we weren't,,this is great...I'll see you guys on another thread I hope...this one is exhausted I think.  lol...

]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:43:56 +0000 meanmistermustard on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66937 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66937 John's rhythm guitar playing is fantastic (listen to And I Love Her or All My Loving) and his lead on You Cant Do That is brilliant for the song.

This beatle bashing as musicians irritates me tremendously, George was no Eric, Jimmi, whatever, sorry, Ringo wouldnt sit on the same podium as Keith Moone, Paul couldnt play the trumpet as well as my two year old, i dont give a shit. Its about what the musician brings to the performance not whether or not they can play better than x, y or z. Keith Moone was a brilliant drummer but would have been ...]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:31:57 +0000 mja6758 on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66839 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66839

Long John Silver said

I think you need to face the fact that here John gets least love, at least that's my impression. He couldn't workout the idea of adding bells and other sound effects  to song, he couldn't sing ahhs part in ADTL, that he was crappy guitar player etc... for that matter, I think I haven't seen a Lennon fan here.

Hate to disagree but I'm a John fan, and I'll John when I think John, and often do. For me, it's John, Paul, George and Ringo. They got that bit dead right. I just haven't seen anything ...]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:56:12 +0000 Long John Silver on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66837 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66837

Beatlebob63 said
This whole thread is becoming more interesting by the day, starting with Paul's guitar solo talents to George not measuring up against Claption's to Ringo's drummer, don't even get me started with that.  I love Ringo but he was so weak and small that Geoff Emerick has to mic's underneath the skins around 63 because he couldn't get Ringo to hit them hard enough.  Good for the intricate fills he needed to do with the unusual beats John and Paul demanded, for THAT he was great.  Drumming though, same analogy as below, no Bonham, no Moon, maybe ...]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:19:28 +0000 Ben Ramon on Fourth guitar on "Ticket To Ride"... http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66835 The songs http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/the-songs/fourth-guitar-on-ticket-to-ride/page-2/#p66835

Beatlebob63 said

George was better lead.  Why do you think he looked up Denny Laine and Henry McCollough?  C'mon guys..Listen to McCartney(solo album).  Had he done that for 10 years, he would not have been the hit machine in the 70's that Phil Collins was in the 80's.

Although I agree wholeheartedly that George was a better guitarist than Paul, I'd also like to point out that Paul played the absolute majority of the lead guitar on Band on the Run, his most successful and acclaimed album and the one that kick-started his status as a 70s "hit machine."

 

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