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Can we all agree … or not?
2 February 2014
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mmm, thanks for the list.

Is there a way of accessing it to give the songs a score or a thumbs up?

I think there are two levels of discussion here:

1) Is it possible for us to come up with an aggregate score or a 'top 100' list (and do we want to do that)?

2) If the answer is 'yes' to the above, we can then discuss what the inclusion criteria should be, whether to include the impact of a song in our scoring process, etc… Mind you, if we first stick to the songs released in the 60s, we can always repeat the process with an expanded list.

My suggestion would be to resolve 1) first and then move on to 2)

Thoughts?

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2 February 2014
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It makes sense to stick to core songs, if only because lesser known songs don't have a chance of getting a lot of votes. For example, I love their cover of "That's All Right (Mama)" from Live At The BBC, but a lot of people haven't even heard that. It's the same reason I'm hesitant to call "What's The New Mary Jane" one of their "worst" songs. Besides the fact that I like it in a weird way, it's from Anthology which only hardcore fans and collectors (for the most part) have ever bothered with.

 

Now that I'm mulling it over, I agree with Into The Sky With Diamonds that this exercise is a bit torturous. Also, it may be the cold medicine or lack of sleep... but when I was skimming the list of songs that meanmistermustard posted, I read "Love Me Do (Andy White on drums)" as "Love Andy White on drums" and thought "What the **** album was THAT on?" I'm glad I decided to look again before searching for it. a-hard-days-night-john-3

 

EIDT (so as not to double post): I like the idea of seeing if we as a community can resolve a top songs list from the core canon, then maybe trying it out with the lesser known stuff for us Beatley hipstery types.

2 February 2014
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Let's put in a 1-10 score for every song.  Thumbs up/down isn't precise enough. 

And, we should have every song on our list in the final ranking, not just 100. Has best and worst songs. 

Finally, if we do it, I'd love to keep track of the scores. This is the kind of thing I love doing, I did it with my family a year ago, it was great (Hey Jude came out number 1)

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2 February 2014
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4or5Magicians said
It makes sense to stick to core songs, if only because lesser known songs don't have a chance of getting a lot of votes. For example, I love their cover of "That's All Right (Mama)" from Live At The BBC, but a lot of people haven't even heard that. It's the same reason I'm hesitant to call "What's The New Mary Jane" one of their "worst" songs. Besides the fact that I like it in a weird way, it's from Anthology which only hardcore fans and collectors (for the most part) have ever bothered with.

 

Now that I'm mulling it over, I agree with Into The Sky With Diamonds that this exercise is a bit torturous. Also, it may be the cold medicine or lack of sleep... but when I was skimming the list of songs that meanmistermustard posted, I read "Love Me Do (Andy White on drums)" as "Love Andy White on drums" and thought "What the **** album was THAT on?" I had to look again before searching for it. a-hard-days-night-john-3

It's a hidden track on With the Beatlesafter 5 hours of silence following Money (That's What I Want). And you call yourself a Beatles fan. 

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2 February 2014
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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

4or5Magicians said
It makes sense to stick to core songs, if only because lesser known songs don't have a chance of getting a lot of votes. For example, I love their cover of "That's All Right (Mama)" from Live At The BBC, but a lot of people haven't even heard that. It's the same reason I'm hesitant to call "What's The New Mary Jane" one of their "worst" songs. Besides the fact that I like it in a weird way, it's from Anthology which only hardcore fans and collectors (for the most part) have ever bothered with.

 

Now that I'm mulling it over, I agree with Into The Sky With Diamonds that this exercise is a bit torturous. Also, it may be the cold medicine or lack of sleep... but when I was skimming the list of songs that meanmistermustard posted, I read "Love Me Do (Andy White on drums)" as "Love Andy White on drums" and thought "What the **** album was THAT on?" I had to look again before searching for it. a-hard-days-night-john-3

It's a hidden track on With the Beatlesafter 5 hours of silence following Money (That's What I Want). And you call yourself a Beatles fan. 

Pete Best covered it in 1964 as a two finger salute to being replaced by Ringo but was driven out whilst playing it in the middle of a concert by rabid Ringo fans. This led to Pete leaving the music industry, a world-wide ban of the song, a law being passed that the track should never be mentioned again, LP's with the track on being gathered and burned, and EMI forced to cut the track from future re-pressings of With The Beatles. Any surviving LPs with it on are worth a fortune but also will be result in death to all involved in the sale.

 

Who knows what will happen to 4or5Musicians when/if the authorities find out.

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2 February 2014
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This isn't exactly the same thing, but we could just do song elections.

The way the idea works is that we do a thread for each album. At the beginning, whoever conducts the thread lists all the songs on that album. Each round is a set amount of time. Let's say two days as an example. During that two day interval, whoever chooses to participate votes for his or her least favorite song among those listed. After the round is over, the song with the most votes gets removed from the list and a new round begins with the remaining songs. 

Like I said, it's not exactly the same thing, but it's a good way to determine which songs are favorites among the community.

Just a thought...

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2 February 2014
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^^^ Oh, and I should add that if there's a tie, a shorter round would take place between just the two (or more) songs with the most votes. 

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2 February 2014
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Actually, in 2009, physicists at Los Alamos (a joint team of physicists from the UK, France, Belgium, Canada and the U.S.A.) under the oversight of General Pepper (he'd been promoted) of the Pentagon conducted a battery of scientific tests using the OMSCF (the Objective Music Standardizer Conceleratronic Fabfourmulator):

AP/UPI March 2010 -- The team of physicists, headed by Professors Emeritus Leo McKern and Victor Spinetti, put the entire canon of Beatles songs one by one through the OMSCF chamber, and after a laborious process lasting 32 hours, during which lurid green and purple light pulsated and bathed the feverish faces of all the onlookers (wearing protective goggles of course) -- including behind the protective glass of the airtight booth George Martin, Ringo Starr, Paul McCartney, and friends and family, the scientists were successful in isolating the absolute best Beatles song, objectively and scientifically conclusive.  All attendees present, however, were sworn to secrecy to reveal the identity of that song, in the interest of international security and geopolitically fabulous coolness.  Some reports have been rumored about that a certain mole, otherwise known as "Deep Submarine", has the answer and wants to sell it to the highest bidder.  Inspector Clouseau is on the case.

 

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2 February 2014
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^That is going in my end-of-year awards file to help me remember the cream of the crop posts.

2 February 2014
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So that's why you can't find any 5+ hour LPs after 1964. It all makes sense now!

 

2 February 2014
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4or5Magicians said

meanmistermustard said

IveJustSeenAFaceo said

4or5Magicians said
It makes sense to stick to core songs, if only because lesser known songs don't have a chance of getting a lot of votes. For example, I love their cover of "That's All Right (Mama)" from Live At The BBC, but a lot of people haven't even heard that. It's the same reason I'm hesitant to call "What's The New Mary Jane" one of their "worst" songs. Besides the fact that I like it in a weird way, it's from Anthology which only hardcore fans and collectors (for the most part) have ever bothered with.

 

Now that I'm mulling it over, I agree with Into The Sky With Diamonds that this exercise is a bit torturous. Also, it may be the cold medicine or lack of sleep... but when I was skimming the list of songs that meanmistermustard posted, I read "Love Me Do (Andy White on drums)" as "Love Andy White on drums" and thought "What the **** album was THAT on?" I had to look again before searching for it. a-hard-days-night-john-3

It's a hidden track on With the Beatlesafter 5 hours of silence following Money (That's What I Want). And you call yourself a Beatles fan. 

Pete Best covered it in 1964 as a two finger salute to being replaced by Ringo but was driven out whilst playing it in the middle of a concert by rabid Ringo fans. This led to Pete leaving the music industry, a world-wide ban of the song, a law being passed that the track should never be mentioned again, LP's with the track on being gathered and burned, and EMI forced to cut the track from future re-pressings of With The Beatles. Any surviving LPs with it on are worth a fortune but also will be result in death to all involved in the sale.

 

Who knows what will happen to 4or5Musicians when/if the authorities find out.

So that's why you can't find any 5+ hour LPs after 1964. It all makes sense now!

 

They were all the rage. Its why record players has 33", 45" and 78" settings. 

 

Ahhh Girl said
^That is going in my end-of-year awards file to help me remember the cream of the crop posts.

I read that as cream of the crap posts.a-hard-days-night-paul-4

I think we need some order in this thread. anyone volunteering?

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2 February 2014
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meanmistermustard said

4or5Magicians said

meanmistermustard said

IveJustSeenAFaceo said

4or5Magicians said
It makes sense to stick to core songs, if only because lesser known songs don't have a chance of getting a lot of votes. For example, I love their cover of "That's All Right (Mama)" from Live At The BBC, but a lot of people haven't even heard that. It's the same reason I'm hesitant to call "What's The New Mary Jane" one of their "worst" songs. Besides the fact that I like it in a weird way, it's from Anthology which only hardcore fans and collectors (for the most part) have ever bothered with.

 

Now that I'm mulling it over, I agree with Into The Sky With Diamonds that this exercise is a bit torturous. Also, it may be the cold medicine or lack of sleep... but when I was skimming the list of songs that meanmistermustard posted, I read "Love Me Do (Andy White on drums)" as "Love Andy White on drums" and thought "What the **** album was THAT on?" I had to look again before searching for it. a-hard-days-night-john-3

It's a hidden track on With the Beatlesafter 5 hours of silence following Money (That's What I Want). And you call yourself a Beatles fan. 

Pete Best covered it in 1964 as a two finger salute to being replaced by Ringo but was driven out whilst playing it in the middle of a concert by rabid Ringo fans. This led to Pete leaving the music industry, a world-wide ban of the song, a law being passed that the track should never be mentioned again, LP's with the track on being gathered and burned, and EMI forced to cut the track from future re-pressings of With The Beatles. Any surviving LPs with it on are worth a fortune but also will be result in death to all involved in the sale.

 

Who knows what will happen to 4or5Musicians when/if the authorities find out.

So that's why you can't find any 5+ hour LPs after 1964. It all makes sense now!

 

They were all the rage. Its why record players has 33", 45" and 78" settings. 

 

Ahhh Girl said
^That is going in my end-of-year awards file to help me remember the cream of the crop posts.

I read that as cream of the crap posts.a-hard-days-night-paul-4

I think we need some order in this thread. anyone volunteering?

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3 February 2014
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Ahhh Girl said

meanmistermustard said

4or5Magicians said

meanmistermustard said

IveJustSeenAFaceo said

4or5Magicians said
It makes sense to stick to core songs, if only because lesser known songs don't have a chance of getting a lot of votes. For example, I love their cover of "That's All Right (Mama)" from Live At The BBC, but a lot of people haven't even heard that. It's the same reason I'm hesitant to call "What's The New Mary Jane" one of their "worst" songs. Besides the fact that I like it in a weird way, it's from Anthology which only hardcore fans and collectors (for the most part) have ever bothered with.

 

Now that I'm mulling it over, I agree with Into The Sky With Diamonds that this exercise is a bit torturous. Also, it may be the cold medicine or lack of sleep... but when I was skimming the list of songs that meanmistermustard posted, I read "Love Me Do (Andy White on drums)" as "Love Andy White on drums" and thought "What the **** album was THAT on?" I had to look again before searching for it. a-hard-days-night-john-3

It's a hidden track on With the Beatlesafter 5 hours of silence following Money (That's What I Want). And you call yourself a Beatles fan. 

Pete Best covered it in 1964 as a two finger salute to being replaced by Ringo but was driven out whilst playing it in the middle of a concert by rabid Ringo fans. This led to Pete leaving the music industry, a world-wide ban of the song, a law being passed that the track should never be mentioned again, LP's with the track on being gathered and burned, and EMI forced to cut the track from future re-pressings of With The Beatles. Any surviving LPs with it on are worth a fortune but also will be result in death to all involved in the sale.

 

Who knows what will happen to 4or5Musicians when/if the authorities find out.

So that's why you can't find any 5+ hour LPs after 1964. It all makes sense now!

 

They were all the rage. Its why record players has 33", 45" and 78" settings. 

 

Ahhh Girl said
^That is going in my end-of-year awards file to help me remember the cream of the crop posts.

I read that as cream of the crap posts.a-hard-days-night-paul-4

I think we need some order in this thread. anyone volunteering?

Don't look at me! The people have spoken. Un-derailing isn't my specialty a-hard-days-night-george-10paul-mccartney

 

Derailing is certainly your specialty. a-hard-days-night-george-10

Anyways...stay-on-topic

3 February 2014
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Have we given up on the topic?

 

It would probably have to be done either thru PM's or an external poll (if such a thing is viable) as i doubt Joe wants tons of posts which comprise little more than a list of songs marked from one to 10 over and over. Faceo seemed to be volunteering by one of the posts above that was on topic (ah those days of old when you could buy a mars bar for a farthing, go the cinema for 2 bob and have change for the bus home, and this thread was on topic) but that might not have been his way ahead.

I suppose the other question is can folks be bothered going thru 212, or whatever it is, songs, marking each one out of 10?

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Knowing me, I'd probably end up marking every song I like a lot a 10, with a few 8s and the occasional 5 mixed in to add some sense of "ranking" using that method. I wonder if anyone that frequents this forum has done something similar with regards to ranking large lists of items based on biased preference of a group of people, or knows anyone that has. That might help us here.

In the past I've seen web apps that present you with two choices and you pick your favorite until the results are properly ranked based on your preference. This was with small lists, mind you. It would take forever to go through the entirety of the core Beatles tunes I'd think.

3 February 2014
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Sorry I started this, wow.

Yeah, I volunteered for any kind of official keeping of what's going on. 

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
Sorry I started this, wow.

Yeah, I volunteered for any kind of official keeping of what's going on. 

Its what happens here, don't want it getting too stuffy. I'm sure the Beatles would improve. Well, maybe.a-hard-days-night-paul-3 

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3 February 2014
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Ivejustseenafaceo,

Do you have a suggestion for how we could get started? Doesn't have to be perfect.

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3 February 2014
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USA Today weighs in with their 12 Best Beatle Songs (can't think of anywhere else to put this, as it's certainly not "news.")

1) Ticket To Ride
2) I Want To Hold Your Hand
3) A Day In The Life
4) Eleanor Rigby
5) Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)
6) Penny Lane
7) Hey Jude
8) Strawberry Fields Forever
9) While My Guitar Gently Weeps
10) The Fool On The Hill
11) Abbey Road medley
12) Girl

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Perhaps someone could do/start with a content analysis study of the "Your top 10 Beatles songs" amd "Worst Beatles songs" threads?

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