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Beatles songs that resembles each other
1 July 2013
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I just thought of making this topic after I listened to "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" and then "Because" both from Abbey Road. To my ears the melody of the riff opening each song sounds very much alike in a way, so I wanted you to listen to it and then give me more examples of other Beatles tunes (eventually solo songs) that resembles each other melody-wise. What do you fellow Beatles fans have to say about it? 

- Of course we have the verse in "Carry That Weight" which uses the same melody as "You Never Give Me Your Money" and the harmony vocals to already-mentioned "Because" and "Sun King" which sounds very much the same.

- Listen to the guitar part after John's singing "and she's making me feel like I'm never been born" from "She Said She Said" and then the guitar riff first on the intro to Ringo Starr's "It Don't Come Easy" – it resembles a bit, doesn't it?

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The "ah-ah-ahs" at the beginning of Lovely Rita resemble the "ah-ah-ahs" that follow the McCartney interlude in A Day In The Life (which then bridges back to the Lennon part).

Both "ah-ah-ahs" sounds like John to me (there was a big controversy here about the "ah-ah-ahs" in A Day In The Life…).

 

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1 July 2013
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Funny Paper said
The "ah-ah-ahs" at the beginning of Lovely Rita resemble the "ah-ah-ahs" that follow the McCartney interlude in A Day In The Life (which then bridges back to the Lennon part).

Both "ah-ah-ahs" sounds like John to me (there was a big controversy here about the "ah-ah-ahs" in A Day In The Life…).

 

I agree, they've both always sounded like John to me.

"She Said She Said" and "Rain" have always sounded similar to me.  I'm not sure exactly what it is, the drumming maybe?  I can hear it in the beginning.

 

 

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1 July 2013
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I think the ''aaah's'' in A Day In The Life actually ARE John. Or was it confirmed otherwise?

Anyway, I think She Said She Said and Rain might sound similar to you because the drums are so loud and the way the guitar is tuned and sounds is similar to each other. 

Hmm what about I Call Your Name and You Can't Do That? Same guitar sound, cowbells, both angry songs. They're a bit the same type of songs, aren't they?

Can't really think of other Beatlessongs resembling each other. They did a great job on that. I was actually discussing that with my mom this afternoon, she said what made them so great was that nothing they did ever sounded the same. Maybe a couple of them had the same mood or really fit together, but it's not like I can say ''oh this song sounds so much like that one'', like you can with songs by the Script for example. Can't hear the difference between some of their songs.

2 July 2013
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I think the ''aaah's'' in A Day In The Life actually ARE John. Or was it confirmed otherwise?

There is another thread somewhere where somebody put forward the view that the "aaah's" coming out of Paul's section were led by Paul and not John, and anybody's ears who was telling them it was John was obviously deaf. It was often became a very bad-tempered thread when people refused to slap their hands to their foreheads and ask themselves how they could have been so stupid to ever think it was John.

I suppose it more or less became one of the most legendary threads here, purely as an example of what happens when people get annoyed that you disagree with their pet theory.

As to songs that have soundalike bits, the obvious one (two?) hasn't been mentioned. Glass Onion, and that bit of recorder after "I told you 'bout The Fool On The Hill", which was intended to remind of, well, Fool on the Hill.

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2 July 2013
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And there's a lower lead guitar part during the bridge to "Ticket To Ride" which is built around the "You Can't Do That"-riff, well I guess George was thinking "I can do that". It's hard to hear, I learned from a YouTube-video showing all 3 electric guitar parts (John's rhythm, Paul's lead and George's rhythm) being instructed. When the pattern is basically the same, it is a similarity there (that's me again going into details).

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2 July 2013
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Slightly off topic, but "Those Were The Days" (Mary Hopkin produced by McCartney) and "Mrs. Vanderbilt" off McC's Band On The Run

 

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Slightly off topic, but "Those Were The Days" (Mary Hopkin produced by McCartney) and "Mrs. Vanderbilt" off McC's Band On The Run

 

Hmm… yes kind of resembling.

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2 July 2013
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"Those Were The Days" needs to have a faster tempo to resemble "Mrs. Vanderbilt"

this version by The Limeliters is a bit better, but still not quite.

The song is one of those that hints of a fast Slavic folk dance.

Indeed, I see the original was titled "Dorogoi dlinnoyu" -- a Russian folk song.

This version by Russian singer Margarita Zorbala has the appropriate tempo (and she's a far better singer than Mary Hopkins).  The Russian language also seems more fitting for the melody, evoking that tragic pathos of the Slavs.  The fast tempo doesn't kick in until about the 35-second mark, and keeps popping up throughout:


 

(The chords in "Mrs. Vanderbilt" do resemble that "Slavic" tonality -- Am-Em-E7-Am.)

 

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2 July 2013
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paulsbass said

The "ah-ah-ahs" at the beginning of Lovely Rita resemble the "ah-ah-ahs" that follow the McCartney interlude in A Day In The Life (which then bridges back to the Lennon part).

Both "ah-ah-ahs" sounds like John to me (there was a big controversy here about the "ah-ah-ahs" in A Day In The Life…).

 Of course they sound similar, because it's both Paul, Lovely Rita even more obviously so, since it's totally his song.

And thanks a lot for the kind words, mjsomething! Funny how you still manage to disregard and twist the actual situation on that thread. It WAS a quite heated, but respectful discussion UNTIL some Lennonistas turned up and tried – in very harsh and rude words (esp. MrBig, Mr. SunKing, Meanmistermustard)to crucify anyone trying to take anything away from their idol. Ah, and THEN some newbie from Australia appeared and started patronizing a user who had been around for years. That did it for me. I stood by my opinion, and I still do, since in this case I'm 100% sure I'm right. No room for discussion for me, as I explained very early in that thread, actually in quite respectful, humble words. If you can't stand someone having a firm opinion, stay away from public forums. I seriously try to stay away from this one, but I care more about the Beatles than about your disrespectful and – honestly – dumb words.

Since I'm already here, the "most obvious" choice for similar Beatles songs, as you put it in very humble words yourself, is "This Boy" and "Yes it is", YII being an actual re-write of TB. This ONCE they DID the same thing twice.

I always confuse "When I Get Home" and "You Can't Do That" since they sound so similar.

Many John songs on Revolver have that certain, brilliant guitar sound: Dr. Robert, And Your Bird Can Sing, She said, she said.

One of the very few repetitive moments in Beatle history are "You Won't See Me" and "Nowhere Man", since they come right after another and both feature very similar "Uh-lalala" backing vocals.

Good call on "Rain" and "She said, she said". I think it's several things: the overall psychedelic sound, the guitar sound, the vocal sound, plus the long note on "Rain" and "said" (even have the ai in common).

Also great call on "Because" and "I want you", they both feature a very similar arpeggio line at the beginning.

Oh, and mjsomething, that example of yours is a really bad one, since the two parts (and why "parts" at all, the thread was about SONGS) don't sound alike at all. It's an actual QUOTE from the lyrics and a short quote from the arrangement.

Im not a Lennonist, far from it. I have no allegiance to any Beatle over another. I took offence at your insistence that it was Paul and everyone who said otherwise was completely wrong despite many leading Beatle Experts not being able to tell who it was. Its open to debate. Deal with it. And refrain from talking crap about me please.

And once again I'll repeat my request that the John v Paul ahhh discussion is dropped since it only leads to arguments.

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3 July 2013
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Ah, Paulsbass, it really is hard to get bothered.

I'm sorry you were obviously so wounded by what happened that you feel the need to pop up whenever it's mentioned it seems to make digs at people. Regarding "newbies", I am happy when they join us, and do not regard their opinions as having any less value or weight than mine. It is what is added by their contributions that people should be judged by, not the length of time they have been a member of the forum. I would hope that most people here feel I make a reasonable contribution. I can't say if I'm your "newbie" from Australia, especially since I live in London, and I can't really say if I was unintentionally patronizing since that part of the thread has been deleted. I do recall comments I intended as sarcasm but were unnecessary and should not have been made however. I happily apologise for that.

As for your comment about my contribution to this thread. From The Beatles bassist's – who created this thread – first post, parts of songs that remind of parts of other songs have been being considered:

The Beatles bassist said
– Listen to the guitar part after John's singing "and she's making me feel like I'm never been born" from "She Said She Said" and then the guitar riff first on the intro to Ringo Starr's "It Don't Come Easy" – it resembles a bit, doesn't it?

Now, it is possible that the recorder is an exact quote of part of Fool on the Hill (the lyric certainly isn't, though I quoted the lyric merely to illustrate where in the song I was talking about), but again you seem to have missed examples used in the first post:

The Beatles bassist said
– Of course we have the verse in "Carry That Weight" which uses the same melody as "You Never Give Me Your Money"…

It seems you were more interested in looking to try and devalue my contribution to the thread, and shout from the sidelines that I don't understand the topic, than actually bothering to read the whole 9 posts which at the time of your post made up this conversation, and seeing whether the title of the thread takes in all that it is about.

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3 July 2013
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Hold the phone…  people still use the term "newbie"?  a-hard-days-night-paul-3

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3 July 2013
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Oh?  Well, there is strong evidence that Scrubs is a really crappy show.  Shall we debate about that?  a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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3 July 2013
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I don't see what the big deal is.  One guy is certain that the "ahs" are Paul.  Others disagree.  At that point, civil discussion should ensue, with presentation of arguments, and counter-arguments.

And when that has gone as far as it can, without anyone being Evangelized into Believing in the True Gospel, then both sides should Agree to Disagree.

But one person here is not satisfied with that, and has apparent fantasies of totalitarian control, I guess -- and in absence of its realization, has tantrums.

 

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Funny Paper said
I don't see what the big deal is.  One guy is certain that the "ahs" are Paul.  Others disagree.  At that point, civil discussion should ensue, with presentation of arguments, and counter-arguments.

And when that has gone as far as it can, without anyone being Evangelized into Believing in the True Gospel, then both sides should Agree to Disagree.

But one person here is not satisfied with that, and has apparent fantasies of totalitarian control, I guess -- and in absence of its realization, has tantrums.

 

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"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

3 July 2013
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paulsbass said

meanmistermustard said
Im not a Lennonist, far from it. I have no allegiance to any Beatle over another. I took offence at your insistence that it was Paul and everyone who said otherwise was completely wrong despite many leading Beatle Experts not being able to tell who it was. Its open to debate. Deal with it. And refrain from talking crap about me please.

And once again I'll repeat my request that the John v Paul ahhh discussion is dropped since it only leads to arguments.

See, there's the problem right there:

Why take offence on somebody's – very strong – opinion? I explained there why it's not open for discussion for me. Would you debate it's Ringo singing With a little help (if it wasn't noted anywhere!)?

I won't go into detail here AGAIN, everything has been said there, even by another user who took the words right out of my mouth.

Anyway, there are two things which convinced me about that vocal part.

They are called "ears".

Sorry if I mistook your unfriendly behaviour for a reaction of a Lennonista. And since there's still a lot of crap being talked about me which is completely unjustified I think I can call out the ones who get never mentioned but still were most responsible for heating up the mostly respectful discussion.

Again. I took offence at your insistence that you were right and everyone else was wrong and had to be spoken to like they were buffoons and corrected. I don't care about whether or not John did this or that in whatever song, its not a big deal to me. I refuse to enter back into that debate. My word, how many times I have deleted what ive written so to not go down a path of argument on this.

Im sorry for how it ended and what it became.

Let it go. For the love of all of things that ever were, are, and will be, let it go.

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3 July 2013
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paulsbass said

The "ah-ah-ahs" at the beginning of Lovely Rita resemble the "ah-ah-ahs" that follow the McCartney interlude in A Day In The Life (which then bridges back to the Lennon part).

Both "ah-ah-ahs" sounds like John to me (there was a big controversy here about the "ah-ah-ahs" in A Day In The Life…).

 Of course they sound similar, because it's both Paul, Lovely Rita even more obviously so, since it's totally his song.

And thanks a lot for the kind words, mjsomething! Funny how you still manage to disregard and twist the actual situation on that thread. It WAS a quite heated, but respectful discussion UNTIL some Lennonistas turned up and tried – in very harsh and rude words (esp. MrBig, Mr. SunKing, Meanmistermustard) – to crucify anyone trying to take anything away from their idol. Ah, and THEN some newbie from Australia appeared and started patronizing a user who had been around for years. That did it for me. I stood by my opinion, and I still do, since in this case I'm 100% sure I'm right. No room for discussion for me, as I explained very early in that thread, actually in quite respectful, humble words. If you can't stand someone having a firm opinion, stay away from public forums. I seriously try to stay away from this one, but I care more about the Beatles than about your disrespectful and – honestly – dumb words.

Since I'm already here, the "most obvious" choice for similar Beatles songs, as you put it in very humble words yourself, is "This Boy" and "Yes it is", YII being an actual re-write of TB. This ONCE they DID the same thing twice.

I always confuse "When I Get Home" and "You Can't Do That" since they sound so similar.

Many John songs on Revolver have that certain, brilliant guitar sound: Dr. Robert, And Your Bird Can Sing, She said, she said.

One of the very few repetitive moments in Beatle history are "You Won't See Me" and "Nowhere Man", since they come right after another and both feature very similar "Uh-lalala" backing vocals.

 

Good call on "Rain" and "She said, she said". I think it's several things: the overall psychedelic sound, the guitar sound, the vocal sound, plus the long note on "Rain" and "said" (even have the ai in common).

Also great call on "Because" and "I want you", they both feature a very similar arpeggio line at the beginning.

Oh, and mjsomething, that example of yours is a really bad one, since the two parts (and why "parts" at all, the thread was about SONGS) don't sound alike at all. It's an actual QUOTE from the lyrics and a short quote from the arrangement.

 

 

Thank you for taking your time to write, but I totally disagree on "When I Get Home" and "You Can't Do That". You see, they're both from the same album, it's both John, but the style is different. "When I Get Home" is more of a Merseybeat pop rock kind of a thing while "You Can't Do That" is more light rock n' roll and also blues-based (if you look at the chord progression). Remember I made this thread to investigate further into The Beatles catalouge to recall upon song/riff melodies sharing similarities with other Beatles and/or solo tunes; "Yes It Is" and "This Boy" doesn't share any melodic similarity from what I've heard.

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3 July 2013
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"Of course they sound similar, because it's both Paul…"

I wasn't talking about that kind of similarity.  One can take two McCartney songs and find that they are different from each other, or that they are similar to each other -- depending on many other qualities.  Surely, every McCartney song is not similar to itself -- that would be tantamount to saying Paul never has any variety in his songs!

Which would be silly.

This topic is about finding similarities from song to song, and whether or not those songs being compared are being performed/written by the same person is utterly immaterial.

But the stubbornly boxed in mentality reflected in the observation I quoted above indicates an obsessive perspective that doesn't seem able to relax enough to notice that his hobbyhorse is not even the pertinent focus, but just a parenthetical tangential remark.

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3 July 2013
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Off topic on Scrubs -- I appreciate the show and I have had many moments of sheer delight while watching it; but overall, I got tired of its "vibe".  And part of this is the formula they have which seems so important to the writers/directors that they can't relax it even for one minute -- namely, the near-constant VOICE-OVER NARRATION (usually by the Zach Braff character's voice).

Another problem is that the conceit of the show -- this kind of cheeky poking fun at everything and everyone, and in the process trying to deflate everything, even plausible reality -- sometimes goes overboard into a hyperventilating, near hysterically manic atmosphere.  And then the writers think they can smooth it all over by tacking onto the end of each episode some kind of Moral of the Story where everyone is really a nice guy deep down.  I mean, this formula was entertaiing the first 1,017 times I saw it…

So I just stopped watching it, and completely missed two or three whole seasons.

 

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Scrubs was very good at the beginning but, like most comedies, as the years and seasons rolled by it got worse and worse until by the end it was unwatchable guff  – the new residents were so incredibly annoying and they lost half the original cast.

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