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Beatles songs lacking a bass track
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1 July 2013
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I never even heard the longer version of Can you take me back, it's kind of hypnotizing. 

I think the reason why I see it as one song, is because Can you take me back isn't listed seperately on the tracklist. Her Majesty isn't either, but because of the gap it just feels like a different song. I don't know, I just see Her Majesty as a hidden song and Can You Take Me Back as a funny bit between songs for some reason. It's like the Inner Groove, I don't consider that as a seperate song. I just think of it as a part of A Day In The Life, or as a funny bit. It's a bit hard to explain.

1 July 2013
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The Beatles bassist said
So you indicate that "
Her Majesty" was on the same track as "The End" on the original vinyl?

In the age of vinyl, tracks were separated by a silence known as a rill. The rill was cut into the master disc in a slightly different way to make it visible, marking it out as the gap between one track and the next, and allowing the listener to navigate the disc.

At the time of Sgt. Pepper The Beatles started issuing instructions that there were to "no rills" between certain tracks. With Abbey Road there were no rills in the medley. If you wanted to find a particular section, you had to guess where to drop the needle. As a result, Her Majesty, did not have a "proper" rill on the original vinyl, though the seventeen-second silence almost creates an artificial one.

I don't know how well this will illustrate my point, but here is Side 1 of AR on vinyl:

http://i2.wp.com/www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/abbey-road-vinyl.jpg?w=200Image Enlarger

There you can clearly see the division between each track, that division is the rill.

Here is the second side of AR, in which you can clearly see there are far fewer obvious rills (though it is not lighted nearly as well as the side one I found):

http://i1.wp.com/recordmecca.com/rmsite/wp-content/uploads/mqc/325_large_3.jpg?w=200Image Enlarger

While you may be able to see the hint of a rill towards the end of the side, it is an artificial one created by seventeen-second silence meaning it was cut into the master as part of the medley. Those rills that are so obvious on side one and not quite so obvious on side two last 3-4 seconds. That bit that hints at a rill before Here Majesty is seventeen, were it cut as a rill it would not be a hint.

As to Sgt. Pepper's Inner Groove, do not think for a moment that I was suggesting it as a song. It clearly isn't. I was merely using it as an example as how they hid things on their albums that were not considered by them to be a part of a song, but were just to surprise the listener with something unexpected.

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2 July 2013
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mja6758 said

The Beatles bassist said
So you indicate that "
Her Majesty" was on the same track as "The End" on the original vinyl?

In the age of vinyl, tracks were separated by a silence known as a rill. The rill was cut into the master disc in a slightly different way to make it visible, marking it out as the gap between one track and the next, and allowing the listener to navigate the disc.

At the time of Sgt. Pepper The Beatles started issuing instructions that there were to "no rills" between certain tracks. With Abbey Road there were no rills in the medley. If you wanted to find a particular section, you had to guess where to drop the needle. As a result, Her Majesty, did not have a "proper" rill on the original vinyl, though the seventeen-second silence almost creates an artificial one.

I don't know how well this will illustrate my point, but here is Side 1 of AR on vinyl:

http://i2.wp.com/www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/abbey-road-vinyl.jpg?w=200Image Enlarger

There you can clearly see the division between each track, that division is the rill.

Here is the second side of AR, in which you can clearly see there are far fewer obvious rills (though it is not lighted nearly as well as the side one I found):

http://i1.wp.com/recordmecca.com/rmsite/wp-content/uploads/mqc/325_large_3.jpg?w=200Image Enlarger

While you may be able to see the hint of a rill towards the end of the side, it is an artificial one created by seventeen-second silence meaning it was cut into the master as part of the medley. Those rills that are so obvious on side one and not quite so obvious on side two last 3-4 seconds. That bit that hints at a rill before Here Majesty is seventeen, were it cut as a rill it would not be a hint.

As to Sgt. Pepper's Inner Groove, do not think for a moment that I was suggesting it as a song. It clearly isn't. I was merely using it as an example as how they hid things on their albums that were not considered by them to be a part of a song, but were just to surprise the listener with something unexpected.

Hmm... that's interesting. Thank you, I've learned something new today!

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2 July 2013
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Vinyl was such a different experience.  I kind of grew up in that changing period (the 80's) so the first music I listened to was on vinyl.  My favourite record was "Rock This Town" by the Stray Cats!  I was still too young to read but I just knew what the record looked like.  One of the first lessons my dad taught me was how to hold a record (that and how to twirl a drumstick).  a-hard-days-night-paul-10 

From then it was tapes, then later CD's.  

When I buy Beatles stuff (I have all the albums on my iTunes, but not in physical form) I always buy vinyl.  I have Sgt. Pepper and Revolver on CD, but that's it.  In vinyl so far I have Sgt. Pepper, Beatles For Sale, Rubber Soul, The White Album (old copy of my mom's), Let it Be...  Naked, and the White and Red albums.... also a "rarities" album.  I like buying them like that because that's how they were released when they came out the first time.  It's such a different experience to put a record on and just listen to the whole thing.  a-hard-days-night-john-1

Edit:  I'm sorry, I should stay-on-topic 

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12 July 2013
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I had never heard the long "Dig It!" or the long "Can You Take Me Back?"- a-hard-days-night-ringo-6 love

It sounds like John is using the six string bass in such a fashion on "Dig It!" that he is basically still playing a rhythm guitar, probably so he could sing while playing it. If you play rhythm guitar you know the transition from singing/playing at the same time from guitar to bass is pretty weird. Bass requires you to be more precise (and its much easier to detect a sloppy bassist than a sloppy guitarist) and locked in with the drummer and guitarists tend to be more jittery and loose (like John!). So he's totally playing a bass line it just depends on your definition of "line" really? He's likely playing chords.

They should have used the whole "Can You Take Me Back?" I cant stop listening to it!

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12 July 2013
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Can You Take Me Back isn't complete, its missing about 20 seconds.

Don't think I could put up with the full version on the White Album, after a few listens i'd be fed up with it, same goes with Dig It. The greatness I find in these two excerpts is their briefness, I want to hear more, however when I do by the end im more than satisfied. Its like Los Paranois, it lasts 3 minutes and however many seconds! Im not a fan of the Anthology edits but thank goodness they cut that down to a more bearable length. Dig it on Let It Be I love. The Dig it cut at 4 mins is listenable, 5 mins is getting annoying and 8 minutes im fed up after 3. Never gotten around to braving the full 13.

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14 July 2013
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Funny Paper, the rill isn't totally smooth: there's still a "plain" groove (without any information) spiralling through it, connecting one song to the next one. And the first second or two of the next song, which is also silent, is also bordered by a plain groove, but so close that you can't tell where the silence ends and the next song begins. On vinyl records that have continuous sound (ie. no silence) between songs (like say between "Venus And Mars" and "Rockshow" on that one Paul McCartney album, you can still see the rills, with the regular groove connecting one to the next, but the groove will be a regular "wiggly" one with sound information in it. (Which will look like a regular plain groove to the naked eye, unless you have a magnifying glass or something.)

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