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A day in the life - Paul or John?
8 August 2012
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Give it a rest, guys. Here's a clue for you all: it's Mal Evans doing his John/Paul impersonation.

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"Well here's another clue for you all / The walrus was Mal"

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8 August 2012
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Its Paul. No doubt.

8 August 2012
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Yes doubt - that clip sounds less like Paul (to me) than any other clip I've heard in the past.

I'm not saying anything definitive (still) because unless we here it from Paul, Ringo or George Martin we will never know. Anything else is simply pure speculation. 

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8 August 2012
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Sorry but i hear John in there with Paul having previously been firmly in the John only brigade.

 

Some hear one voice, some two.

Some just John.

Some just Paul.

Some both John and Paul.

And some believe Paul died a month or two earlier so it's false Paul.

 

Maybe False Paul had a voice that could sound like Johns and thats the answer.

 

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8 August 2012
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The furore surrounding this has evidently been preying on my mind more than I thought. This morning I woke up from a dream where I listened to ADitL on enormous speakers and could clearly hear Paul joining John halfway through, so I set about recording it to show the forum. Kind of disappointed when I woke up and everything was back to speculation.

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8 August 2012
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Zig said

Yes doubt - that clip sounds less like Paul (to me) than any other clip I've heard in the past.

I'm not saying anything definitive (still) because unless we here it from Paul, Ringo or George Martin we will never know. Anything else is simply pure speculation. 

*sigh*a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

Well said. We don't know who it is/was, and we will never know. Can't we accept that we think we're right, but that others aren't convinced, and say we can't be certain till Paul Ringo or George M tell us? And leave it at that? No videos will prove it, unless that video features P, R, or GM telling us the truth. Please?

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8 August 2012
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I don't understand the confusion -- it's clearly William Shatner!

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8 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said

Zig said

Yes doubt - that clip sounds less like Paul (to me) than any other clip I've heard in the past.

I'm not saying anything definitive (still) because unless we here it from Paul, Ringo or George Martin we will never know. Anything else is simply pure speculation. 

*sigh*a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

Well said. We don't know who it is/was, and we will never know. Can't we accept that we think we're right, but that others aren't convinced, and say we can't be certain till Paul Ringo or George M tell us? And leave it at that? No videos will prove it, unless that video features P, R, or GM telling us the truth. Please?

To my mind, this approach is just as pointless. If speculation is useless, what's the point of a discussion forum about a band of people we have never met and really know very little about? Music discussion is rarely based on concrete facts.

I, too, find this thread annoying, but nobody said anyone was forced to post in it, or even read about others' opinions. Saying "guys we should stop talking about this because we won't come to a conclusion" could be applied to any thread on this forum which requires a subjective point of view.

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8 August 2012
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I wish somebody could ask Paul himself who sang it. 

8 August 2012
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Ben - in no way is it the same thing. This thread exists to answer a question. If there is no definitive answer to a question regarding fact, why continue the thread?

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8 August 2012
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Dont think there is anything wrong with discussion about it, certainly no harm is being done. If folks want to talk sensibly without forcing their opinion thru as if it 100% right then why shouldnt they? Its up to each individual whether or not they read and/or contribute to the thread regardless of there being no definative answer.

 

Its like the question of Lieutenant Columbo's first name. Some folks swear blind its Frank, some insist it was never made known, others claim it to be something entirely different, the rest groan when it reappears because there is no definative answer, but you cant stop them from talking about it. Its a public forum after all.

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9 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said
 If there is no definitive answer to a question regarding fact, why continue the thread?

Because it's a discussion forum. We may not know the answer, but shutting down all access to the question prevents us from ever getting closer to the truth, or putting forward reasonable and intelligent debate, or changing people's opinions, or even making them simply think. All of those things are better than just going "screw it, we'll never know" and locking the thread.

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9 August 2012
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I agree Ben.

When I said "Anything else is simply pure speculation", I meant just that. I did not mean we should stop discussing it. As long as the conversations remain civil, the discussions can be quite fun and interesting.

Locking the thread did come up in the past, but that was only because it got out of hand. If we all keep respecting one another, everything is cool.

I may not agree with some of the posters' opinions, but I will defend to the death their right to be expressed.a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

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9 August 2012
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paulsbass said

mr. Sun king coming together said
I haven't the slightest idea, and anyone who knows for certain one way or another is wrong.

Eeeh, you DO see the flaw in this sentence, don't you?

I'm very slow today, so unfortunately no. Please point it out, it's probably quite apparent.

Edit: Someone get me a dunce cap - I meant to say "anyone who claims knows for certain one way or another is wrong" although wrong isn't the word - more confident then they should be would be a better ending.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
9 August 2012
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And, I just want to add - I'm truly being swayed to the Paul side of the tracks. The isolated vocals make it truly McCartney-esque.

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10 August 2012
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paulsbass said

Zig said

 

I am also in that camp - listened to it this weekend in surround sound. I forget which track was for which singer, but for the sake of argument (how apropos for this thread) let's say John's voice is on the left track.

John's vocals are in the left track. After Paul's "woke up..." part in the right track, the ahs start in that same track. They then fade the vocals to left, right, left; at which point John's vocal starts in the left track again.

See, another proof it's Paul.

He starts the aaah on "his" channel, then it's fading over to John, who continues with the LAST VERSE!

Ah well, I tried logic before, but hardly anyone would listen...

Actually, that was me trying very hard to give those in the Paul camp every benefiy of the doubt. Nice try though.a-hard-days-night-george-10

If it wasn't both of them edited to sound like they were taking turns, then I hear more John than Paul. I'm just telling you what I hear. 

I very much respect your opinions on why you feel it is Macca. I know he is your favorite, but don't think that is the reason why you are so adamant. I really believe that you believe it is Paul. Fair enough.

I will ask that, unless you build a time machine and go into the recording studio as it was happening, you stop telling people definitively that they are wrong. I was not there, you were not there. I hear one thing, you hear another. I realize there is a chance that I may be wrong. You don't. Therein lies the rub. And it does rub people the wrong way when you tell them they are wrong when this is pure speculation. This thread should be fun to discuss. Telling people they are just plain wrong and that they are not using common sense or logic on a matter of pure speculation is not fun.

By all means, please continue to tell us why you feel you are right. By that same token, please stop telling people they are wrong. They might not be.

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10 August 2012
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Whether it's Paul or John in the lead, I think what is certain is that 

 

a. Paul's verse wasn't recorded at the same time as the "ahhh" part, or

b. they cut the tracks and "pasted" them together again

 

Also, there's an interesting sound effect, or what should I call it, at the very beginning of the "ahh" part- it sounds like someone is moving faster than speed and makes a sort of explosion, if you know what I mean

And why would they record those "uuhhhUUhhh" things in the back if only to drown them in the mix? I don't think there's a second track for them, those backing vocals could even be sung to the same microphone as the lead singer, which makes me think...

Why would it be impossible that they should take turns in singing? They may have adlibbed that part, John and Paul, one of then ahhh:ing while the other one hoots, and then they could change places

Some people claim that the lead singer is Paul because he sounds exactly the same as in Love Rita. I strongly disagree. I never had any problems discerning his voice in that song. And if we take another example, Let me Roll it, which is Paul's solo piece including heavily distorted and reverberated voice- but I can still distinguish him, even in the higher notes.  Funny though, critics have said that he sounds like Lennon in that one. That might be, but he certainly doesn't sound like the person doing the "ahhs", although you might expect some similarity considering the artificial effect. Of course, this doesn't mean it cannot be Paul, but his ahhs is a performance he never did before that and never did again a-hard-days-night-john-7 

I would be relieved to find out that the singer is actually George ( really, there are a lot of people who think so)

10 August 2012
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minime said
Whether it's Paul or John in the lead, I think what is certain is that 

a. Paul's verse wasn't recorded at the same time as the "ahhh" part, or

b. they cut the tracks and "pasted" them together again

Also, there's an interesting sound effect, or what should I call it, at the very beginning of the "ahh" part- it sounds like someone is moving faster than speed and makes a sort of explosion, if you know what I mean

And why would they record those "uuhhhUUhhh" things in the back if only to drown them in the mix? I don't think there's a second track for them, those backing vocals could even be sung to the same microphone as the lead singer, which makes me think...

Why would it be impossible that they should take turns in singing? They may have adlibbed that part, John and Paul, one of then ahhh:ing while the other one hoots, and then they could change places

I thought this too. Good argument.

I would be relieved to find out that the singer is actually George ( really, there are a lot of people who think so)

I wouldn't bank on it being George at all. The likelihood of John and Paul giving him that part to do seems very small, not to mention that George's presence was hardly felt at the Pepper sessions (and I don't really feel his presence on A Day In The Life at all). Plus he doesn't seem nearly as likely to reach those high, powerful notes as the others, not very characteristic of his singing voice.

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10 August 2012
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Thanks to the isolated tracks leaked a number of years before Rock Band and Rock Band itself you can clearly hear times in many songs where John is making silly noises in the background when Paul is singing or vice versa - usually resulting in the singer being put off.

During Paul's section in ADITL you can clearly hear John (well i believe its him) making those heavy breathing noises after "noticed i was late". There is also a random "bum, bum, bum" after seconds flat (Paul) and a chortle after "had a smoke" (not sure who). So, there is room to debate that both were there for the "ahh's" waiting for Pauls section to go by and when being mixed it was all muddled up. And we do have Stereo Remixes numbers 1 - 9. What do those sound like for the ahh's? Are they different in any way?

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