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A day in the life - Paul or John?
10 August 2012
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Thanks to the isolated tracks leaked a number of years before Rock Band and Rock Band itself you can clearly hear times in many songs where John is making silly noises in the background when Paul is singing or vice versa – usually resulting in the singer being put off.

During Paul's section in ADITL you can clearly hear John (well i believe its him) making those heavy breathing noises after "noticed i was late". There is also a random "bum, bum, bum" after seconds flat (Paul) and a chortle after "had a smoke" (not sure who). So, there is room to debate that both were there for the "ahh's" waiting for Pauls section to go by and when being mixed it was all muddled up. And we do have Stereo Remixes numbers 1 – 9. What do those sound like for the ahh's? Are they different in any way?

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
10 August 2012
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Zig said

I very much respect your opinions on why you feel it is Macca. I know he is your favorite, but don't think that is the reason why you are so adamant. I really believe that you believe it is Paul. Fair enough.

I will ask that, unless you build a time machine and go into the recording studio as it was happening, you stop telling people definitively that they are wrong. I was not there, you were not there. I hear one thing, you hear another. I realize there is a chance that I may be wrong. You don't. Therein lies the rub. And it does rub people the wrong way when you tell them they are wrong when this is pure speculation. This thread should be fun to discuss. Telling people they are just plain wrong and that they are not using common sense or logic on a matter of pure speculation is not fun.

By all means, please continue to tell us why you feel you are right. By that same token, please stop telling people they are wrong. They might not be.

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Hey Zig, thanks for the diplomatic way of telling me to stop being an ass. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

I know I do sound kind of arrogant on this topic and I'm sorry for that. I appreciate that you don't question my motives. You got that right.

I could PERFECTLY well accept and live with the fact that this is John singing, because I love him as much as most of you (just Paul a little more), but am I supposed to deny my senses?

Think of my position that way:

When someone tells you John is singing "With a little help…" you tell him: "No, that's Ringo!" Why? Because you HEAR it. If the other one tells you "Well, we weren't there, we can't be sure!" you'd answer: "Excuse me, I don't HAVE to have been there, it's on the record, you can HEAR it's Ringo!"

Most people will support your "opinion" because they know Ringo's voice and can tell it from John's. And I don't think you will back down in some way and say "Well, it COULD be John…", you'd be firm in your "opinion", which is in truth NOT an opinion but an OBSERVATION!

 

In this case it's just a little harder to tell (on the "Love" version I thought it DID sound more like John, but the pure audio removed all doubt), and more people are not sure.

I CAN hear it's Paul, I KNOW it is him as I KNOW it's Ringo singing WALHFMF because I can HEAR it.

Most of you said "I'm not sure" or "there might be two voices, a little bit of both"…

Well, sorry, but I AM sure and I KNOW I'm right on this one 100 percent.

 

I apologized somewhere earlier for the trouble this thread made and explained how I never expected it to become such a monster or any serious question at all.

It's so obvious it's Paul!

A few other lonely voices said the same.

Unfortunately for so many people this seems to be obviously John, and I seriously don't know how this can be (at least after listening to the isolated vocals).

And I never expected so many hard-core Beatles-fans to get this wrong, influenced by love for John or not. Even Joe is not sure.

I don't mean to insult anyone, I'm just astounded and surprised.

It's not that I never got anything wrong about who sang what, that humbled me down a bit.

But in this case I am absolutely sure.

Sorry again, and please somebody ask Paul to make an end of it.

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paulsbass said 

Think of my position that way:

When someone tells you John is singing "With a little help…" you tell him: "No, that's Ringo!" Why? Because you HEAR it. If the other one tells you "Well, we weren't there, we can't be sure!" you'd answer: "Excuse me, I don't HAVE to have been there, it's on the record, you can HEAR it's Ringo!"

Most people will support your "opinion" because they know Ringo's voice and can tell it from John's. And I don't think you will back down in some way and say "Well, it COULD be John…", you'd be firm in your "opinion", which is in truth NOT an opinion but an OBSERVATION!

 

But these situations are in no way analogous. You keep coming back to this argument, when there is documented proof of Ringo singing (Quotes of Ringo's, Paul's, John's). The only source who was in the studio who (As far as we can tell )has documented the event has said it was John. Even though I'm starting to believe it was Paul, you cannot discount the possibility that you are wrong. No one is perfect.

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11 August 2012
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paulsbass said 

Think of my position that way:

When someone tells you John is singing "With a little help…" you tell him: "No, that's Ringo!" Why? Because you HEAR it. If the other one tells you "Well, we weren't there, we can't be sure!" you'd answer: "Excuse me, I don't HAVE to have been there, it's on the record, you can HEAR it's Ringo!"

Most people will support your "opinion" because they know Ringo's voice and can tell it from John's. And I don't think you will back down in some way and say "Well, it COULD be John…", you'd be firm in your "opinion", which is in truth NOT an opinion but an OBSERVATION!

I CAN hear it's Paul, I KNOW it is him as I KNOW it's Ringo singing WALHFMF because I can HEAR it.

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8PaulsBass, your analogies aren't exactly concrete examples for defending your opinion--or, as you said, "OBSERVATION!"--that Paul sang the "aaaaah's" because they can work in favor of those who believe it to have been John. While you may hear Paul, others hear John; therefore, their opinion becomes just as much an observation as yours. You see?

paulsbass said 

I could PERFECTLY well accept and live with the fact that this is John singing, because I love him as much as most of you (just Paul a little more), but am I supposed to deny my senses? 

And I never expected so many hard-core Beatles-fans to get this wrong, influenced by love for John or not. Even Joe is not sure.

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I'm pretty sure this topic--and anyone's opinions about it--has nothing to do with favoritism or level of love…I admit that John is my favorite, but even I'm not sure who sang the "aaaaah's". If this thread was based on how much we love John/Paul, wouldn't I have said that John sang them? That set aside, I must admit that I'm a bit offended by your claim that anyone who disagrees with you about it being Paul isn't a hard-core fan…I know you didn't actually say that, but it was implied.

paulsbass said 

It's so obvious it's Paul!

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8If it was so obvious, why do we have a twelve-page discussion about it…? I respect that you're so absolute in your observation, but it's a little bit degrading for people who are either on Team John or Team John&Paul--or people like me who don't have a team--to read such forceful posts.

paulsbass said 

Sorry again, and please somebody ask Paul to make an end of it.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I think that's the one thing anyone's said throughout this whole discussion that everyone agrees on lol. a-hard-days-night-john-6
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11 August 2012
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Dipsy said

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8If it was so obvious, why do we have a twelve-page discussion about it…? I respect that you're so absolute in your observation, but it's a little bit degrading for people who are either on Team John or Team John&Paul--or people like me who don't have a team--to read such forceful posts.

 

That's exactly what I think.

*irony on* Maybe we should think about printing t-shirts saying "Team Paul" and "Team John". *irony off*

11 August 2012
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paulsbass said

Hey Zig, thanks for the diplomatic way of telling me to stop being an ass. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

I don't think you are an ass. As a matter of fact, I admire your conviction. For decades, I heard John singing that part due to, what you yourself called it, the "nasal tone" to the ahs. I thought that had to be him because of that nasal quality. I like John's voice a lot but always thought Paul had a much better voice.

Then, I discover this wonderful website and a thread is started debating the issue. I started doubting my ears thinking, "huh – maybe it is Paul or a little of both". The most compelling cases came from you. Your conviction was making me doubt my own ears. But I just can't get past that nasal tone to the ahs which makes me think it is John.

In summation, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, keep on making your case – it is a very, very good one. Just start more sentences with "here is why I disagree" vs. "You are wrong."

Thanks very much for being cool about it, paulsbass.

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11 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said  

you cannot discount the possibility that you are wrong. No one is perfect.

In this case I can discount the possibilty I am wrong. I am absolutely sure.

And still I'm far from being perfect, obviously.

11 August 2012
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Zig said
But I just can't get past that nasal tone to the ahs which makes me think it is John.

In summation, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, keep on making your case – it is a very, very good one. Just start more sentences with "here is why I disagree" vs. "You are wrong."

Thanks very much for being cool about it, paulsbass.

Thanks as well Zig!

If John would do the "aahhs" they would be even MORE nasal.

Again: Check out the high "uuhs" in the background (isolated vocals). THEY are nasal.

11 August 2012
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paulsbass said

Zig said
But I just can't get past that nasal tone to the ahs which makes me think it is John.

In summation, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, keep on making your case – it is a very, very good one. Just start more sentences with "here is why I disagree" vs. "You are wrong."

Thanks very much for being cool about it, paulsbass.

Thanks as well Zig!

If John would do the "aahhs" they would be even MORE nasal.

Again: Check out the high "uuhs" in the background (isolated vocals). THEY are nasal.

Actually, a lot of them have this "hooting" quality, I'm sure you'll agree. And that is typical of Paul's falsetto, even if he is technically more capable singing the higher notes than John, his voice doesn't crack and such, John's falsetto has more "vibrato". In the background, there is also this more piercing vocal, which might be John's, but I'm pretty certain the other one isn't. It's either Paul or someone altogether else, but I don't hear John in it

13 August 2012
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paulsbass said

Long John Silver said  
I just can't hear Paul, maybe as the one who uploaded states that "John main with Paul on background" but that's it.

Thanks for providing another evidence it's Paul.

I CAN hear John, he's doing the high nasal falsetto "uuhs" in the background.

Lead is all Paul with a chest voice.

JOHN MAIN with Paul, I just provided evidence that it is John a-hard-days-night-george-10.

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13 August 2012
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Just watched the Olympics' final show. Did you too?

I liked the fact that there were a lot of Beatle moments: Imagine with a beautiful film with John singing (what a GREAT voice that man had…), Russel Brand singing "I am the walrus" (cool they put that in, but I didn't really understand the reason…) – and the middlepart of "A day in the life", starting with the first crescendo.

And in this mix from the stadium over my TV it sounded more clearly than ever to me that the voice doing the "aaahs" is the very same that does the "I went into a dream".

It sounded soooo much like Paul, never was more obvious.

 

So, sorry again, I am right on this one, no discussion for me.

Everyone has the right to believe differently, of course.

 

PS: When they put on the giant Octopus I was surely expecting Ringo to sing Octopus's garden! Sadly, it didn't happen!

13 August 2012
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So there isnt two discussions going on for the Olympics Closing Ceremony it has its own thread here.

 

I had a dream last night were i listened to the ADITL "ahh's" and it was very clearly Paul. Not sure if that was a proclamation of fact or due to all the talk here.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
13 August 2012
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meanmistermustard said
So there isnt two discussions going on for the Olympics Closing Ceremony it has its own thread here.

 

I had a dream last night were i listened to the ADITL "ahh's" and it was very clearly Paul. Not sure if that was a proclamation of fact or due to all the talk here.

I had a very similar dream, it must be in our subconscious. Only difference is that I found out it was both of them in my dream.

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13 August 2012
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Ben Ramon said

meanmistermustard said
So there isnt two discussions going on for the Olympics Closing Ceremony it has its own thread here.

I had a dream last night were i listened to the ADITL "ahh's" and it was very clearly Paul. Not sure if that was a proclamation of fact or due to all the talk here.

I had a very similar dream, it must be in our subconscious. Only difference is that I found out it was both of them in my dream.

If the dream realm cant agree on an answer what hope is there!?  

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
13 August 2012
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paulsbass said
 

So, sorry again, I am right on this one, no discussion for me.

 

TO me it still sounded like John, so I am right and no discussion :) . (just playing your game)

 

I will just quote mr sun king coming together

 

"The only source who was in the studio who (As far as we can tell )has documented the event has said it was John."

 

The person in Rock Band whose is singing that part is John.

Most of people (beside this forum) think it's John, even people uploading videos of isolated voices (who are also Beatles fans). 

 

2:55

 

So the evidence of Paul singing is just your observation, not a quote by someone who was actually there.

 

As for asking anyone, the best person to ask would probably be George Martin

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paulsbass said
 

It sounded soooo much like Paul, never was more obvious.

So, sorry again, I am right on this one, no discussion for me.

Everyone has the right to believe differently, of course.

I admire your conviction, but it still would make me laugh heartily if it did turn out to be John, or someone asked Paul and he just nonchalantly said "yeah, it was John."

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Yeah but according to Rock Band George also plays guitar on this day (and that john plays rythm guitar on maxwell) and that's also not true

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GeorgeTSimpson said
Yeah but according to Rock Band George also plays guitar on this day (and that john plays rythm guitar on maxwell) and that's also not true

Someone already explained that, the same goes for George playing Clapton's part on While My Guitar Gently Weeps, they didn't want to add others in game, but here there were no reason just to give John to sing that part, as both John and Paul are in the game and it's singing, not playing the instrument. They could also at least also animate Paul singing it, but they didn't.

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13 August 2012
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Ben Ramon said

I admire your conviction, but it still would make me laugh heartily if it did turn out to be John, or someone asked Paul and he just nonchalantly said "yeah, it was John."

 

Hey, I'm glad we can still talk about this in a humorous way. The discussion is now far from being as heated as it was in the beginning.

IF Paul would really say that it would be because he didn't remember it correctly (which wouldn't happen). It would surely break my heart, because it's really frustrating to know you're right and having so many people in disbelief and even the man himself being in denial.

Won't put myself in the same line with Galilei but I MIGHT feel just a LITTLE bit like him!! ahdn_paul_01

 

Geoff Emerick WAS there and obviously remembered it wrong and/or made something up about it.

 

I didn't check the ADITL site lately, did Joe put all the quotes about the subject together?

Some are mentioned in the thread, some in the comments page.

There are several in MY favour.

 

As I said, I never even thought of this part as being that great or important, so I'm still surprised about the dramatic reactions this is getting.

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I don't put any validity on what Rockband shows – A Day In The Life wasn't even an original song, it was downloadable content. Which means it's very well possible Paul (and Yoko) just approved it not taking into consideration whethe they has the person singing the ahh's right. I'm not saying that they got it wrong – I'm merely saying I don't put put value on that.
As well, what the majority of people think is also irrelevant; majorities of British citizens thought Churchill was a fear mongering old man whose best days were behind him. They were also very wrong. So majority opinion, really, isn't all that indicative of the truth.
As for the question at hand… I think this might be my last post. I think it's Paul, but I'm very open to it being John, or both. Let's keep it civil.

Edit: Paulsbass – if Paul McCartney, your hero, said John did the A Day In The Life ahh's, would you take his word, or continue in the belief that Paul did them?

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