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A day in the life - Paul or John?
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14 August 2012
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Elmore James
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paulsbass said 

Hey, it was ME who stated somewhere very early that I'm not open for discussion anymore. I know what I hear.

And yet you have a grand total of 51 posts in this thread, which comes to one in every 5 posts is yours. If you knew you weren't open for discussion, why spend all that time and energy?

Why should I be open for discussion who's the lead singer on "With A Little Help From My Friends"? It's on the record.

Not in any f*cking way the same thing.

Why should I be open for discussion who does the aah when I'm absolutely sure it's Paul?!

Because you have the most subjective "proof" of your claim, against the claim of a man who witnessed the recording (Geoff Emerick).

Again:

His. Voice. Is. On. The. Record.

According to some.

Many of you find it sounding a lot like John, ok. It does a bit.

Doesn't change the fact (Sun King emphasis) it's Paul. Sorry, but how is this my mistake or fault?!

Your mistake is that you say, constantly, that it's a fact, a proven, assured, fact. Which it is not in any way.

You judge my whole personality from a single occasion.

Believe me, I've got enough of a sense of your personality from other times - this isn't changing it at all.

Someone made up a hypothetical situation which will never occur - since Paul would without a doubt say he did the aaah - and you trash me for playing along with it.

How the hell do you have the foresight to say "without a doubt" he'd say he did them? You are making so many assumptions I'm enraged. 

I explained everything more than once in this thread, how I WAS wondering if it was John for a while but I'm just not anymore - since it is Paul's voice on the record.

From the first comment board post you've been arrogantly sure it was Paul.

And a voice is a voice, it's not like a guitar sound. If there's Paul's voice, it's Paul singing.

But that's in no way sure! Would you not say echo and distortion can change a voice? Cause they can.

And I'm not "trying" to find evidence at all, I don't need any personally. I would just like other people, who don't feel the acoustic evidence is convincing or clear enough to learn abouth the truth (which is not even that important, imo).

Of course it's not important - because you're failing at that goal.

This has nothing to do with "my opinion first" or "Paul first", nothing at all. I was wrong on other questions and always admitted it.

Like?

I'm not wrong here, sorry, it's the truth, not my arrogance.

Repeating a bland non sequitur will not convince anyone, I'm sorry.

And, how excactly did I "distort" evidence?! I'd be happy to admit it was John - if it was his voice.

You didn't - you distorted people's opinions, which is not the same thing. I apologize.

I just know what I hear.

People find it irritating I'm so sure, ok. I get that. But how am I supposed to change that?! Pretending I'm not sure??

Not post 51 posts saying it's Paul when you have no factual basis for that claim. 31 would do just as well.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

14 August 2012
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paulsbass said 


Paul was the driving force about almost everything that makes
A Day In The Life so legendary, from the line "I'd love to turn you on" to the fantastic piano part to the more substantial idea for the orchestra (in contrast to John's "Apocalypse" sound) to the middle part to the TRANSITION. The others and of course George MArtin contributed greatly as well, but Paul was the main creative power in that phase. Get over it.

Are you a hundred percent certain it's Paul's line? Apart from sounding really much like a typical Lennon line, I believe Paul reveals himself in the Anthology documentaries. For instance when he's first mentioning A Day In The Life he says, "I think he [John] got the ide... or, we then got the idea....". Breaking up mid-sentence, and changing 'John' to 'we', doesn't make him trustworthy at all. A little later he does - kind of - the same thing, when explaining how the "I love to turn you on"-line came to existence (saying "we", when he was about to say something else). 

And btw... I too have always thought the aaahhh was Johns, but coming to think of it, in the anthology version Paul kinda screws up and then says "oh shit", maybe instead of doing the aaahhhhhh. But then again, considering it's an early take they might not even have thought of doing it (aaahhhh) yet again.

Summa summarum, I still believe it's John, not because I don't believe in McCartneys creativity, voice or anything, but simply because it really, really sounds like John.

Oh, and maybe McCartney was the most worksome / creative person (seriously, how can you - for instance - say Penny Lane (or any other McCartney song from that periode) is more creative than eg. Strawberry Fields), around pepper properly due to his heavy cocaine consumption...

Sorry if you can't comprehend this, I haven't written any English for what feels like decades. paul-mccartney

14 August 2012
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Paulsbass - seeing as I have no time to go down the line of this thread, can we make a deal? You continue to make as many posts in this thread as you want, and I don't object because you drop the WALHFMF thing. The Ahhs are a bitterly contested thing, with the only documenter being considered (at best) a liar (Emerick), while you have interviews, quotes, live performances (I don't consider the fact Paul now does A Day In The Life relevant - no ahh from today will ever sound the same, even If he did them originally) to validate its Ringo. Please, just stop using that analogy and I'll shut up.

Edit: Please the don't lock the thread on my account. I'm guilty as charged Ben. But just because I fucked this thread up, doesn't mean if I shut up (which I will by virtue of no wifi for two days) it can't be a hearty discussion.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

14 August 2012
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Paulbass, saying i believe or its definately x or i am certain is not the same as a fact thats all folks are trying to say. Just because you hear Paul doesnt mean it definately is 100%. In the 60's beatle fans heard John singing Why Dont We Do It In the Road and wrote it up in reviews, some folks didnt think it was Ringo singing Good Night, there is a misheard lyrics thread on this site where for years fans, massive hardcore fans, heard and believed what wasnt sung. Im not saying its not Paul or people arent hardcore fans or should deny what they think is the answer and say something else. Thats your opinion and i fully respect it, you might even be 100% right (apologies if that sound patronising its not meant to be taken that way).

 

As for this thread can it get back to analysing the song and discussing that part and move away from the arguements. I missed the locked thread but if all this continues i will be going back on my previous post and want the damn thing locked. Keep it friendly and respectful - please. (I'll probably be pulled up for writing the first paragraph.)

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14 August 2012
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Jakob said

Paulsbass

What's his cocain consumption to do with anything? John was heavy on SEVERAL drugs, so what's your point?

Just explaining why Paul might've been the productive one -- cannabis and psychedelics doesn't make you wanna do anything (physical at least) -- coke kinda speeds one up, thus making McCartney more productive (but less creative, imo. When Im sixty-four... com'on).

I didn't mean anything specific with the cocaine line, but you have pointed Johns drug consumption out several times, so it was to de-glorify McCartney towards drugs, I guess.

I don't think Paul took cocaine all that much, although that's what he's said so it may have been more habitual than he cares to admit at the time, and you are right in saying his productivity was WAY up during Pepper (and most of '67).

My favorite beatle is Harrison, so it's true when I say Im not trying to defend John in any way, I just got frustrated reading all your John-bashing (or Paul-glorification).

I don't think this is fair. Paulsbass is an extremely committed Paul fan, but he does obviously love John and the Beatles as a whole. I think his springing to Paul's defense and what may be perceived as anti-John comments are simply in response to when people consider John the true genius of the Beatles and relegate Paul to the "silly" or "cutesy" one. His staunchness in these cases may make it seem that he's bashing John but he's not. Sorry Paulsbass to jump in here when you can clearly speak for yourself, I just felt the need to make this heard.

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14 August 2012
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Jakob said

 Ben Ramon said 

I don't think this is fair. Paulsbass is an extremely committed Paul fan, but he does obviously love John and the Beatles as a whole. I think his springing to Paul's defense and what may be perceived as anti-John comments are simply in response to when people consider John the true genius of the Beatles and relegate Paul to the "silly" or "cutesy" one. His staunchness in these cases may make it seem that he's bashing John but he's not. Sorry Paulsbass to jump in here when you can clearly speak for yourself, I just felt the need to make this heard.

By giving Paul credit for the line [I love to turn you on] Paulsbass is somehow belittling John -- mainly because it turns out, he's not even sure if it actually is Paul's line or not (he's just postulating). If it's not an attempt to "glorify" Paul then what is it? State something in order to make him appear more geniusy is glorifying (or bashing, if you flip it the other way around)!

So if someone stated it was John, would they be belittling Paul? None of us will ever really know who it was who contributed exactly what, but if someone has their reasons or instincts for thinking it's a certain person, I wouldn't say you are belittling the other. It may be glorifying Paul slightly, that's true, but there's no implied element of "ha ha, John didn't write this line, Paul did, look at who's more talented!" So where's the "bashing"?

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15 August 2012
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