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Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane On Sgt Pepper?
16 August 2013
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DrBeatle
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SFF and PL not ending up on Sgt. Pepper is one of those unintended strokes of luck that history is all the better for. Those songs are spectacular, of course, but not only would they have not fit in at all with the album (in terms of sentiment but also the overall sound) but Sgt. Pepper as we know it would be completely different and I'm not sure it'd be for the better.

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16 August 2013
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I agree. There's something about the SSF/PL single that is magical in its own stand-alone way. Two songs, and yet so mind-blowing. Put them on Sgt. Pepper and not only do you further water down the concert vibe they were (perhaps half-heartedly) going for, but you also change the ''feel''- and importance - of the two songs themselves.

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16 August 2013
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DrBeatle said

SFF and PL not ending up on Sgt. Pepper is one of those unintended strokes of luck that history is all the better for. Those songs are spectacular, of course, but not only would they have not fit in at all with the album (in terms of sentiment but also the overall sound) but Sgt. Pepper as we know it would be completely different and I'm not sure it'd be for the better.

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16 August 2013
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See, that's where I disagree! I think many people would've learned to love the lp just as much if not more with those two. And then found it unimaginable without them. But YMMV I guess.

That Was a reply to Dr. Beatle, if it wasn't clear. Damned iPad kbd!

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16 August 2013
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I think so too. I also think the order of the songs doesn't matter. What does it matter if Within You Without You comes before Lovely Rita or after it or whatever?

It's hard to pick 2 tracks to dump though, and most of them wouldn't fit on MMT. With that having said, MMT wouldn't have been as good as it is without SFF and Penny Lane. They also fit on MMT much better than on Pepper. 

I always think MMT is a bit underrated. It's definitely one of my favourite Beatlesalbums. I mean come on, except for SFF and Penny Lane it has songs like I Am The Walrus, Fool on the hill, All You Need Is Love etc. All great songs. 

On the White Album subject though, I would have liked the single version of Revolution on it, but that's because I prefer it over Revolution 1. As for Hey Jude, I don't know if that would be good. It kind of fits the album, but at the same time it doesn't, if that makes sense. It's too big or something.

17 August 2013
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It's the removing I hate more than the altering! If Capitol had seen fit to include "Paperback Writer/Rain" on Revolver without removing the three John songs that found their way to "Yesterday and Today", I'd be delighted.

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17 August 2013
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Linde said
I think so too. I also think the order of the songs doesn't matter. What does it matter if Within You Without You comes before Lovely Rita or after it or whatever?

It's hard to pick 2 tracks to dump though, and most of them wouldn't fit on MMT. With that having said, MMT wouldn't have been as good as it is without SFF and Penny Lane. They also fit on MMT much better than on Pepper. 

Indeed, as John later said, take away the title track, its reprise and "With a Little Help from My Friends," and Sgt. Pepper is just another album of standalone songs in mostly random order.  I've never gotten this 'concert vibe' from it to which fabfouremily is referring.  And, unlike DrBeatle, I think the inclusion of SFF and PL would be for the better, since they're far and away better songs than any of the Paul songs that DID end up on the album.  (I'd have also put "Only A Northern Song" on there at the expense of one of those Paul songs as well.  [deflector shield up] ahdn_george_06)  I've actually put together my own preferred version of Sgt. Pepper as an iTunes playlist (ditto Let It Be), and it's the version to which I now usually listen.

It doesn't matter which 2 Sgt. Pepper castoffs (3 actually, since OANS also being on the album would've most likely returned "Baby, You're a Rich Man" to its original status as one of the 4 exclusive Yellow Submarine contributions) would have 'fit' onto MMT because that second side was an afterthought; whatever non-album songs were available were put on there.  Yes, it may have made MMT a weaker album (so to speak) today, but it would've strengthened Sgt. Pepper (and its reputation), IMO.

On the White Album subject though, I would have liked the single version of Revolution on it, but that's because I prefer it over Revolution 1. As for Hey Jude, I don't know if that would be good. It kind of fits the album, but at the same time it doesn't, if that makes sense. It's too big or something.

I don't see why "Hey Jude" wouldn't have fit on the White Album, as it turned out to be pretty much an 'anything-goes' sort of work, and it's that eclecticism that gives it its personality, IMO.  Take away the more tossed-off tracks like "Wild Honey Pie," "Why Don't We Do It In The Road??" and the "Can You Take Me Back" link between "Cry Baby Cry" and "Revolution 9" and it becomes a fairly rigid, straight-laced album.  That said, I'm perfectly fine with "Hey Jude" not being on it.

17 August 2013
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I love that Can You Take Me Back bit between Cry Baby Cry and Revolution 9!

I think Hey Jude is just too long and spectacular to just end up as an album track. I think they made the right decision. Unless they put it both on the album and as a single.

19 September 2013
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While those two songs would have fit very well on the album, there's nothing I really could bring myself to take off. It just doesn't feel right removing anything of it, because to me Sgt. Pepper as about as perfect as an album can get. What I think The Beatles should have done after Pepper, was do one last concert and turn it into a live album. Because as great as Sgt. Pepper is, the live feel that it tried to create only applied to a few of the songs and it didn't feel like a concert overall.

This is what the track listing would be, and I want to know if you guys can guess the story i'm trying to tell through these songs:

 

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

2. With A Little Help From My Friends

3. Strawberry Fields Forever

4. Penny Lane

5. Lovely Rita

6. Within You Without You

7. Tomorrow Never Knows

8. I Am The Walrus

9. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds

10. Yesterday

11. Getting Better

12. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)

13. A Day In The Life

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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