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Rubber Soul: USA version vs. UK version
10 July 2013
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Duke_of_Kirkaldy said

I've always been baffled by those who think the U.S. version has a greater folk-rock feel when it omits the U.K. version's 2 most blatantly folk-rock tracks: "Nowhere Man" and "If I Needed Someone."  a-hard-days-night-paul-3

I agree (& said so a few posts ago!)

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Me, myself & I, I never understand why any foreign release that has a title in common but not a tracklisting could be considered superior to how The Beatles used that title.

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Egroeg Evoli said

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I would imagine it would depend a bit on which one you heard first. I have yet to listen to the Capitol version although it would be easy enough to recreate. I just have no desire to - couldn't imagine RS not starting of with the opening guitar riff from 'Drive My Car'.

Agreed.

Well, I heard the USA one first, but only about a year before the UK one. I bought the Capitol one and loved it, then heard the original and loved it more, and have never had the desire to go back. Especially since what I owned was the 8-Track tape, with the ugly album art - altered just as pointlessly as the track listing itself, not to mention the typically messed-up tape sequencing. (Click here to see the ugliness!) http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wxel.....00/IMG.jpg

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10 July 2013
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Why on earth did they add that horrible black and white text over the original vibrant orange? Looks tacky, cheap and repulsive. All of the 60 albums excluding Pepper had their track listings altered to some extent. One heck of an idiotic way to save cash.

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I still maintain the Capitol album is a smoother listen, and more folky.  I disagree that Nowhere Man and If I Needed Someone are folky. They are more psychedelic.  The Capitol track listing has more acoustic guitar throughout.  It's a total fluke, and they only did so in this instance, but Capitol created a better track listing.

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10 July 2013
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Not folky, more folk-rocky.

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Yesterday, I was in our local library, and I found the UK original version CD "Rubber Soul." I own the US version, and had never listened to the way the Beatles had intended the music to sequence. So, I played the CD while working around the house today. It was interesting to hear the album start off with "Drive My Car," and then hear "Nowhere Man" just come out of nowhere, and so forth with the different tracks. But the biggest shock to my system had to be this: For the first time ever, I heard "I'm Looking Through You" without the false start! Did that ever sound wrong to my ears! For those of you that might not know, the American release of the song starts out with a few seconds' intro of strummed acoustic guitar chords, and then it stops! The song picks right up again as if nothing happened. (As if George Martin was to scold "Nothing to see here, folks, so move along"...) That's the only way I've ever heard "I'm Looking Through You..." until today.

I'm sure someone here at the Beatles Bible knows the story behind that false start. I'd like to hear how that came to be.

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I don't know the answer, but I've had a similar reaction to "Help!"

I'd always heard it with the "James Bond" intro (as it is on the American album) and was surprised to hear people talk about their exciting find. 

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
I don't know the answer, but I've had a similar reaction to "Help!"

I'd always heard it with the "James Bond" intro (as it is on the American album) and was surprised to hear people talk about their exciting find. 

That shocked me the first time I heard it on my dad's old Red AlbumI thought I put in the wrong record or something. Then Help! came out of nowhere. 

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22 February 2014
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Bungalow Bob said

I'm sure someone here at the Beatles Bible knows the story behind that false start. I'd like to hear how that came to be.

It was probably left in due to a mistake at the mastering stage at Abbey Road, when the tapes were being prepared for despatch to Capitol? "Her Majesty" exists on Abbey Road due to such a mastering error.

As an aside, I've always been familiar with the UK release ('cos I'm English!), but I love the US version of Rubber Soul, I can see why Brian Wilson was such a fan. What does annoy me a bit is the assumption the track listing was a brilliant piece of work by Capitol, more like by accident than design. Capitol's strategy soon fell apart with Yesterday And Today being compiled from Help, Rubber Soul and Revolver.

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22 February 2014
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Her Majesty wasn't a mastering error. There was an understanding that nothing of the Beatles was ever just binned so after it was cut out of the medley it was put at the end of the tape with a long gap in between it and The End, probably to be chopped off later. Paul heard it, liked it and so kept it.

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meanmistermustard said
Her Majesty wasn't a mastering error. There was an understanding that nothing of the Beatles was ever just binned so after it was cut out of the medley it was put at the end of the tape with a long gap in between it and The End, probably to be chopped off later. Paul heard it, liked it and so kept it.

Ok, I'll meet you half-way. What I meant to say is it shouldn't have been there.  The chopping off of the track was a mastering error, seem to remember reading it in Emerick's book, not that everything in there is accurate of course.a-hard-days-night-ringo-6

 

 

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Oyster Black Pearl said

meanmistermustard said
Her Majesty wasn't a mastering error. There was an understanding that nothing of the Beatles was ever just binned so after it was cut out of the medley it was put at the end of the tape with a long gap in between it and The End, probably to be chopped off later. Paul heard it, liked it and so kept it.

Ok, I'll meet you half-way. What I meant to say is it shouldn't have been there.  The chopping off of the track was a mastering error, seem to remember reading it in Emerick's book, not that everything in there is accurate of course.a-hard-days-night-ringo-6

 

What track was chopped off in error? Her Majesty was cut out of the medley at the instruction of Paul (and probably others, i forget), stuck at the end of the tape as nothing was to be binned, and then Paul heard it back and liked the surprise of it with the crashing chord so kept it in. I haven't read Emerick's book as there are too many others to read and every time its mentioned someone is bashing it.

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meanmistermustard said

Oyster Black Pearl said

meanmistermustard said
Her Majesty wasn't a mastering error. There was an understanding that nothing of the Beatles was ever just binned so after it was cut out of the medley it was put at the end of the tape with a long gap in between it and The End, probably to be chopped off later. Paul heard it, liked it and so kept it.

Ok, I'll meet you half-way. What I meant to say is it shouldn't have been there.  The chopping off of the track was a mastering error, seem to remember reading it in Emerick's book, not that everything in there is accurate of course.a-hard-days-night-ringo-6

 

What track was chopped off in error? Her Majesty was cut out of the medley at the instruction of Paul (and probably others, i forget), stuck at the end of the tape as nothing was to be binned, and then Paul heard it back and liked the surprise of it with the crashing chord so kept it in. I haven't read Emerick's book as there are too many others to read and every time its mentioned someone is bashing it.

I'd recommend it very much. It's great at showing the studio workings. He's a little Paul-biased (possibly because he worked with Paul much more than the others) but it's still very much worth a read

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Expert Textpert said
I still maintain the Capitol album is a smoother listen, and more folky.  I disagree that Nowhere Man and If I Needed Someone are folky. They are more psychedelic.  The Capitol track listing has more acoustic guitar throughout.  It's a total fluke, and they only did so in this instance, but Capitol created a better track listing.

 

I agree - it's tough to swallow but in this instance Capitol made a more unified cohesive album - both in sound and track listing. The false start on I'm Looking Through You lends it an authentic "sitting around with acoustics and hanging out" feel.

And in the US when the US version first came out - it was revolutionary - "This is a completely new and different Beatles' sound!" Little did we know what was still to come.

 

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meanmistermustard said

What track was chopped off in error? 

This clears things up - from Emerick's book -

"Paul didn't like it there (between Mustard & Pam) and told Kurlander to edit it out. John's editing skills weren't quite up to stuff at that point and he accidentally cut it one beat too early. He was about to correct the problem when a tired Paul said, "never mind it's only a rough mix".

Kurlander knew that EMI had strict rules about ever throwing anything away, so he did the proper thing-he kept the mix of "Her Majesty" and stuck it on the end of the test edit, after about 20 seconds of red leader tape. Red leader tape is used by engineers to mark the end of a song, but when Malcolm Davies cut the test lacquers at Apple the next day, he either missed seeing the leader tape fly by, or decided to include the song anyway, because he wasn't sure of our intent. Paul loved it!

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Robert said, "The false start on I'm Looking Through You lends it an authentic "sitting around with acoustics and hanging out" feel."

Yes, the American Rubber Soul had a complete "unplugged" feel that was terrific. Leading off with "I've Just Seen A Face" was a stroke of genius (or very good fortune).

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
Robert said, "The false start on I'm Looking Through You lends it an authentic "sitting around with acoustics and hanging out" feel."

Yes, the American Rubber Soul had a complete "unplugged" feel that was terrific. Leading off with "I've Just Seen A Face" was a stroke of genius (or very good fortune).

That's what I like about the US version, but the UK is obviously better. I haven't heard the US through though, just know the track listing differences, so I've never heard the false start, should probably look that up.

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I've read in a few places that it isn't really a legiitimate false start - like, not an actual recording of Paul strumming and faltering - but a tape error on the part of Capitol. In other words, something more akin to a record skipping. You can hear it on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....LFlwOHM0bg

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The false start is on take 4, the released take, so no idea why its to not be legitimate.

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