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This settles the Ringo vs. Pete debate once and for all
31 July 2013
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HAHAHAHAHAHA this is fucking hilarious! Don't watch/listen to this if you're somewhere you can't bust out howling with laughter (I made this mistake at work just now!) :lol:

For everyone who thinks "was Pete Best really that bad a drummer?"

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31 July 2013
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DrBeatle said
HAHAHAHAHAHA this is fucking hilarious! Don't watch/listen to this if you're somewhere you can't bust out howling with laughter (I made this mistake at work just now!) :lol:
For everyone who thinks "was Pete Best really that bad a drummer?"

I feel like I'm going to hell for laughing at this. Poor guy.

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31 July 2013
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Absolutely hilarious!!! Poor Pete. Here's a question…what if George Martin hadn't objected to Pete Best's being the drummer and they never hired Ringo, would they still have made it big and would Pete Best be Ringo today? Also…why didn't they ask Pete Best to fill in for Ringo on the Australia tour when Ringo was sick and Jimmy Nicol took over for Ringo for three weeks? Just wonderin'.

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31 July 2013
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To answer your questions, I don't think they'd have been as good. Ringo not only was a better drummer but a better personality…he meshed perfectly with the other 3 and they'd been friends for a while. Pete never fit in, even in Hamburg. Let's face it, he was only the drummer because right before they went to Hamburg for the first time, they were in desperate need of a drummer and he was one of the only guys who A) had his own drum kit and B) wasn't already in a band.

 

Also, Pete wouldn't even finish the last 2-3 dates with the band before Ringo could start…there's no reason to believe he would've helped them out in '64 and he would've been justified for telling them to fuck off had they actually asked

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31 July 2013
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Would love to have heard a conversation where Brian phoned Pete up in '64 and asked him to fill in for Ringo for a handful of shows, if the knife wasn't deep enough already. There were a couple of gigs in '63(?) where their paths crossed (Pete with a new band) but nothing was said, probably a quick nod before shuffling off down the corridor.

It wasn't just George Martin telling them a session drummer would do the studio work, George had been badgering John and Paul for ages to get Ringo in as it all fitted better, it was just the final boot out of the door or the last stamp on his fingers as he dangled over the cliff. Thank goodness the switch came.

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31 July 2013
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And yet, Pete has done BeatlesFest (I think) and assorted other Beatles-related events cashing in on being their first drummer. Interesting. Wonder if he & Paul (or Ringo) have ever run into him of late???

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31 July 2013
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mccartneyalarm said

And yet, Pete has done BeatlesFest (I think) and assorted other Beatles-related events cashing in on being their first drummer. Interesting. Wonder if he & Paul (or Ringo) have ever run into him of late???

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard on Breakfast with the Beatles that after the sacking, none of them ever spoke to or saw Pete again.

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31 July 2013
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You're probably right, Parlance. Imagine their running into him by accident somehow…awkward! I did see a clip of poor Pete on the old old TV show "To Tell the Truth" where you guessed the occupation of three guests (two of whom were imposters). His "occupation" was "used to be a member of the Beatles." I remember how the celebrity panel all cooed and sighed and said "oh gee whiz" when his identity was revealed. It was pitiful. I felt sorry for the poor guy, I really did. Now I just wonder why he bothered to go on the show and humiliate himself like that in the first place. The clip of the show was in black and white, so it had to have been aired in 1965 or '66 or thereabouts.

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31 July 2013
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If I were him I'd never appear on such shows or do Beatlefest or whatever. I'd be too embarrassed. 

But hey, gotta earn money in SOME way.

31 July 2013
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As I said above there were one or two gigs later on where both The Beatles and Pete Best played, they were amicable to each other but not chatty in any way. Lewisohn dates at least one encounter happening on the 12th October 1962 at the Tower Ballroom in New Brighton, Wallasey where Pete was now the drummer in Lee Curtis and The All Stars (I haven't went thru the whole book, this is the first I came across).

 

Pete has made a good living from selling his story numerous times and building up his part into being the best drummer in Liverpool, the audience only ever coming to see him, and how Ringo copied what Pete was doing for the next 7 years. Next up is how it was he who inspired John and Paul to write, even getting phone calls from them later on when stuck, as he was a great composer, and how he one day bumped into George Martin in London and on his good looks and charisma alone got a deal for the Beatles (the jealousy in the band over this was what forced him out).

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DrBeatle said
HAHAHAHAHAHA this is fucking hilarious! Don't watch/listen to this if you're somewhere you can't bust out howling with laughter (I made this mistake at work just now!) :lol:
For everyone who thinks "was Pete Best really that bad a drummer?"

Ouch…….that hurt.

Completely agree that Ringo had it all over Pete Best. Musically, in terms of skill but also personality. His whole approach to drumming was to serve the song and help make it as good as he could. With song-writing of the calibre of Lennon/McCartney, Ringo was perfectly suited to work with them. He had so little personal ego (much less than the others anyway) that he was happy to enhance their songs rather than try and make himself front and centre.

And as far as fitting in with the band, he was a perfect match. Even though he was the lesser contributor musically, I think Ringo was one the things that held them together – he loved them and they loved him so much that he put up with way more of the crap for much longer than anyone else would have. If he had really walked out and left them to it, then no more Beatles.ahdn_ringo_09

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meanmistermustard said
As I said above there were one or two gigs later on where both The Beatles and Pete Best played, they were amicable to each other but not chatty in any way. Lewisohn dates at least one encounter happening on the 12th October 1962 at the Tower Ballroom in New Brighton, Wallasey where Pete was now the drummer in Lee Curtis and The All Stars (I haven't went thru the whole book, this is the first I came across).

 

Pete has made a good living from selling his story numerous times and building up his part into being the best drummer in Liverpool, the audience only ever coming to see him, and how Ringo copied what Pete was doing for the next 7 years. Next up is how it was he who inspired John and Paul to write, even getting phone calls from them later on when stuck, as he was a great composer, and how he one day bumped into George Martin in London and on his good looks and charisma alone got a deal for the Beatles (the jealousy in the band over this was what forced him out).

 

And we all know this is the truth. That's why he is now seen as one of the best singer-songwriters ever and is still very successful. Yep.

1 August 2013
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meanmistermustard said
As I said above there were one or two gigs later on where both The Beatles and Pete Best played, they were amicable to each other but not chatty in any way. Lewisohn dates at least one encounter happening on the 12th October 1962 at the Tower Ballroom in New Brighton, Wallasey where Pete was now the drummer in Lee Curtis and The All Stars (I haven't went thru the whole book, this is the first I came across).

 

Pete has made a good living from selling his story numerous times and building up his part into being the best drummer in Liverpool, the audience only ever coming to see him, and how Ringo copied what Pete was doing for the next 7 years. Next up is how it was he who inspired John and Paul to write, even getting phone calls from them later on when stuck, as he was a great composer, and how he one day bumped into George Martin in London and on his good looks and charisma alone got a deal for the Beatles (the jealousy in the band over this was what forced him out).

:lol: You're right, though, he's built up a little myth about his drumming. Apart from him, Ringo is the one always cited as the best drummer in Liverpool, and not just by John, Paul, or George, but by loads of their contemporaries at the time.

In addition to when they crossed paths in '62/'63 after the switch, don't forget that in August '62, a day after they sacked him, Brian asked Pete to fulfill his obligations to play the next 2 or 3 shows until Ringo could arrive from Butlins…I'm shocked they had the balls to ask! To Pete's credit, he basically told them to fuck off, and they played 2 shows with a fill-in and either played the 3rd with no drummer or cancelled it outright (I can't remember which).

 

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Here's Pete Best on "I've Got a Secret" from 1964…so weird he'd go on there…AWKWARD!

 

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1 August 2013
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And I'm not picking on Pete, but the same fellow who did the Day in the Life vid also did Come Together….I had to stop listening to it because I'm trying so hard to stifle my laughter here at work that my coworkers are walking by giving me funny looks..HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :lol:

 

 

I'm seriously in pain from all the laughter

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I would have a lot more respect for Pete if he just said he was a good drummer who got dropped at the worst moment and didn't turn up on every 2 bit show repeating the same 30 second oversell (has he said anything new in the last 20 years?). I now turn off whenever I see him.

 

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MMM, I stand corrected regarding The Beatles brush with Pete. Yeah, that's awkward.

I can sort of understand why he does the constant appearances, though. That is such a bitter pill to swallow.

I read somewhere, can't remember where, that he didn't make much money until his recordings on Anthology were released.

I find it so fascinating his niece ended up playing Astrid in the musical version of "Backbeat."

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meanmistermustard said
I would have a lot more respect for Pete if he just said he was a good drummer who got dropped at the worst moment and didn't turn up on every 2 bit show repeating the same 30 second oversell (has he said anything new in the last 20 years?). I now turn off whenever I see him.

 

This.

The way he discusses it, no one will like him better after those shows.

Also, LMAO! That drumsolo in The End! 

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Linde said

meanmistermustard said
I would have a lot more respect for Pete if he just said he was a good drummer who got dropped at the worst moment and didn't turn up on every 2 bit show repeating the same 30 second oversell (has he said anything new in the last 20 years?). I now turn off whenever I see him.

 

This.

The way he discusses it, no one will like him better after those shows.

Also, LMAO! That drumsolo in The End! 

I know! :lol: Come Together cracks me up even more, haha!

And I'm with you all on Pete…while he seems like a good guy and has made out alright for himself, and he's been married almost 50 years and has 2 grown daughters, which is fantastic, he *does* seem to cash-in in a passive-aggressive way on his notoriety. That being said, I'd still love to meet the man, seems like overall a good fellow.

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Linde said

Also, LMAO! That drumsolo in The End! 

I love that the whole performance manages to be lackluster yet intrusive. I can just imagine the looks on the other three faces if they had actually had to put up with that.

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