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Interesting interview with Maureen
10 December 2012
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I just found this interview on Tumblr yesterday. It's from some magazine which I don't know the name of and it's from 1988.

I thought it was interesting so I thought I'd share it.

 

  • Q

    So let's start at the beginning. How did you first meet Ritchie?

  • A

    Well... (pauses) I first met him at the Cavern. I was dating Johnny Guitar at the time in the Hurricanes (You know) and Ritchie was just the drummer at the time. I don't remember when he first asked me out on a date, but he did just after he left the Hurricanes and joined the Beatles. I was excited! Here I was a silly sixteen-year-old hairdresser dating the most popular drummer in Liverpool. Our first date was a little silly. (chuckles) We just walked around the block for a while, gossiping and talking because he had to go back in the Cavern and play again. After a couple of months, I began to realize that I was infatuated with him.

  • Q

    You and Ritchie went to Greece with Paul [McCartney] Jane [Asher] in 1963, right?

  • A

    Yes we did.

  • Q

    How was that trip?

  • A

    It was excellent. I think it was my first trip out of the country and I was so thrilled when Ritchie asked me to go. I was quite nervous because I was going with Paul and his girlfriend, but once we were there I relaxed. Paul is such a nice, genuine person and I quite enjoyed him. I got to know Jane as well during that trip. While Paul and Ritchie were off horsing around, Jane and I chatted quite a bit. She's such an intelligent person and I thought them quite an odd couple at first. Paul is such an assertive fellow (you know) he knows what he wants and Jane is that way too. I often wondered to meself how they ever stayed together as long as they did (you know). Ritchie isn't assertive at all. He's pretty laid-back and gentle- some people could call him a pushover. He has this inferiority complex about 'im. I don't know how to describe it. He just wants me to constantly reassure 'im that I love him because he gets afraid. We would be lying in bed and he would hold me close to him and say, "Do you really love me?" I would have to constantly reassure him that I did love him, that I did care for him; and I think he was really pleased to hear me say that to 'im. He was so afraid that I might not love him.

  • Q

    You attended a couple of studio sessions with him? He said that sometimes he would take you with him.

  • A

    Yeah, I went to a couple of them with him. It was only because he asked me- not because I wanted to. I was so used to him coming home from the studio and me sitting up till the crack of dawn waiting for 'im. Going to his work would seem out of the ordinary (y'know), so I told him that if he wanted me to go, I would.

  • Q

    What was it like to sit in the studio with John, Paul and George?

  • A

    It was like watching a couple of actors rehearsing a scene in a movie (laughs). I would sit there with a cup of coffee in my hand and watch them for a while or maybe gossip with Linda [McCartney] or Mal [Evans]. When I did watch them, I always thought to meself, so this is what he's been doing for the last six years! (laughs) I sometimes felt like a fly on the wall, but I knew that I had to be the luckiest fly in the world. Pattie [Harrison] would sometimes be there, but she would always leave early.

  • Q

    Yoko Ono was there too.

  • A

    I always thought her strange. I mean she would always interrupt the lads when they were working or do strange things without any reason whatsoever. I was there when John brought the bed, and said something about wanting Yoko to be there. I asked Ritchie about this and he just shook his head in disbelief. I often wondered how they all put up with her. Even Ritchie would come home and tell me all these strange stories about her. He once told me about her moaning into John's microphone while they were recording a song and how the two of them would make-out during takes. I always avoided her in the studio for those reasons. She was just too strange for me.

  • Q

    Were you there when Ritchie walked out?

  • A

    No, but I was surprised when he came home so soon. He told me to pack my bags without giving me much of an explanation; but I could see a look of distress in his eyes. It was just painful. I fought with him for a while, I really did and I told him that it was foolish to go away so soon, but I could tell he didn't really care at that point. I do remember him muttering something about Paul under his breath- something really dirty which made me believe that Paul and Ritchie had a row.

  • Q

    Can you recall what Ritchie said?

  • A

    They were all curse words. I don't really want to repeat -

  • Q

    (interrupts) Just do the best you can.

  • A

    (laughs and puts her hands to her face) Ohhh.. it's easy for you to say.

  • Q

    (Whistles) Wow! Were they that bad?

  • A

    Well pretty much. I will never forget what he muttered as he folded his socks and put them in the suitcase. He said "Paul is a freaking moron."

  • Q

    You used freaking instead of the "F" word?

  • A

    (laughs) Yes I did. He put so much stress on that word that it shocked me to hear him say it because he usually isn't like that.

  • Q

    Did you know why he left? Did he tell you?

  • A

    From what I heard him tell Peter [Sellers] on the yacht, Paul wanted a certain drum pattern on a song and Ritchie was just fed up with his coaching him too much. He usually did something totally opposite of what Paul specifically told him to do, and Paul would get upset.

  • Q

    What would you say is his greatest weakness?

  • A

    His inferiority complex, his low self-esteem. I think, in a way, that was why he turned to drinkin' so heavily. I think he used it as a cloth to hide his weakness. He would drink to get plastered to hide from it, but he knew that eventually he couldn't. I remember he even tried to commit suicide once.

  • Q

    Really?

  • A

    Well, I shouldn't say he did it intentionally because it took place when he was drunk (or at least I think so). He tried to cut his throat with his razor in the bathroom. He really frightened me at first, but I knew he wasn't conscious of it. It was something that he wouldn't have done if he was conscious and I knew this.

  • Q

    Let's turn to the positive. What was his greatest strength?

  • A

    Ohhh... I would say it's his personality. Ritchie is such a cheerful, peaceful man that it's wonderful to talk with him. He has a wonderful sense of humor and can be very charming at time. My mother loved him when she first met him because he charmed the socks off of her. (Laughs) He was excellent with children- mostly because he's usually gentle and playful. I used to comment to him that he still acted like a child, but he laughed it off.

  • Q

    Was he passionate?

  • A

    Oh yes, he could be very passionate when he wanted to be. Especially during meetings. He could be extremely passionate then.

  • Q

    I noticed you haven't mentioned John yet? What about him?

  • A

    John is the funniest person you'd ever want to meet. You could never know when he was being serious. That's John for you!

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Thanks for posting that Linde.  Fascinating stuff.  It sure gets personal; I wonder what Ringo thought (thinks) of all that personal stuff becoming public.

 

It all seems to have the ring of truth about it.

 

In the meantime, Ringo seems to have found a solid romantic partner with Barbara Bach.  Aren't they still together after all these years?

 

The part about Yoko was interesting too.  The more I hear about her, the more her uncharitable reputation seems confirmed.  She also had a quirky avant-garde arty farty streak to her, which seemed to match John's tastes as well.  During John's recording of his solo single "Instant Karma", I read that Yoko's contribution to the song was to sit with knitting needles up to a microphone, knitting a sweater!

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Yip Barbara and Ringo still going strong. All 4 have had their very long marriages, well i suppose that depends on your point of view and what you believe regarding the rumours about John and Yoko and what was going to happen in 1981.  

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
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Yeah the part about Yoko kind of surprised me. I always thought Ringo and Maureen sorta liked her. She's also more ridiculous than I thought lol!

I also thought the bit about when Ringo walks out during the White Album sessions was interesting, since he always told us something different.

10 December 2012
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What was going to happen in 1981? Does this relate to the audio Jack Douglas wiped the day after John was murdered? I've read speculation that he was going to leave her (There's also a comment from George after John's death that John always seemed afraid to say something, like he wanted to but was holding back, when George would visit them at the Dakota...I wonder...).

 

Also, Yoko sits blindfolded knitting during the Instant Karma! video...my kids saw that yesterday when I showed it to them, coincidentally enough, and said "why is that weird lady doing that?" I had to laugh, and I just said "who knows? That's just Yoko..."

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10 December 2012
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Stories/rumours circulate(d) that Yoko was close to leaving to John in 1980 and that Double Fantasy was one last effort to save the marriage, John being spured into activity to try and keep Yoko after 4 years of inactivity and becoming weird with his food habits, not having anything to do with Sean, being a recluse and not seeing anyone for days and weeks etc. One case of evidence is the material by both on DF; John with I'm Losing You, Yoko's Im Moving On immediately after.

Ive never read or heard anything about John leaving Yoko, not that i dont think its been said. A heck of a lot has been written about those 4/5 years and what supposedly went on.

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DrBeatle said  
Also, Yoko sits blindfolded knitting during the Instant Karma! video...my kids saw that yesterday when I showed it to them, coincidentally enough, and said "why is that weird lady doing that?" I had to laugh, and I just said "who knows? That's just Yoko..."

 

Ah, blindfolded too:  perfect!

 

As far as Yoko in general, I have only one hyphenated word to say:  Can you say...

 

"passive-aggressive"....?

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meanmistermustard said Ive never read or heard anything about John leaving Yoko, not that i dont think its been said. A heck of a lot has been written about those 4/5 years and what supposedly went on.

Actually, I recall in the 80s hearing about how John had temporarily "ran away" from Yoko -- one time he went to indulge himself in the drug scene of LA for a while, then he came crawling back to her.  It wasn't really an official separation, just the usual marital problems many couples have, I suppose.

 

I don't know if Paul meant to be autobiographical in "Single Pigeon" but if he was, then Linda put him out in "the doghouse" a few times herself!

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From what I have gathered, it wasn't John who ran away from Yoko- it was she who pushed him away; "you go and have a bit of fun with my friend May Pang in LA and when you have come back to your senses, you may return". At least, this is the Yoko version. May Pang version goes something like " John wanted to have a holiday and then noticed he was having such a blast by himself that he didn't want to return at all but then Yoko threatened her to it". And Paul seems to remember Yoko sending him there to bring John back to her. I really don't know what happened... Just that his creativity... Well, seemed to have suffered without Yoko

Anyway, Yoko keeps denying any rumors about their possible divorce if John had not died.

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minime said
From what I have gathered, it wasn't John who ran away from Yoko- it was she who pushed him away; "you go and have a bit of fun with my friend May Pang in LA and when you have come back to your senses, you may return". At least, this is the Yoko version. May Pang version goes something like " John wanted to have a holiday and then noticed he was having such a blast by himself that he didn't want to return at all but then Yoko threatened her to it". And Paul seems to remember Yoko sending him there to bring John back to her. I really don't know what happened... Just that his creativity... Well, seemed to have suffered without Yoko

Anyway, Yoko keeps denying any rumors about their possible divorce if John had not died.

Yeah but that doesnt fit into the perfect world of John and Yoko that has been created over the last 31 years by Yoko. You cant go around portraying John as a saint if the world knows she was going to divorce him in 1981, doesnt fit the image. Not that im saying the rumours are wrong but John and Yoko did create the idea that John had never touched a guitar throughout his retirement and we all know thats garbage.

I thought John had sex with another woman in the room next to where Yoko and a whole lot of people were and they all heard what was going on in there. After that Yoko kicked him out, fixed him up with May Pang, and then 18 or so months later made the call that John could go back.  That was in some documentary or other.

As for Paul i remember reading that somehow the story of She Loves You was played out (Paul phoned John and told him that Yoko loves him and that he should go back which he did).

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The impetus for John's lost weekend was Yoko asking him for a separation so she could focus on her art (supposedly she felt "stifled" by being with John and overshadowed by him) and suggested May go with him. While on the Lost Weekend, he reconciled with Paul, indulged in too much booze and drugs, recorded Mind Games and Walls and Bridges and Rock and Roll, and fell in love with May Pang. I've read that he and May were all booked to go to New Orleans to record with Paul and Wings for Venus and Mars, and that he had planned to leave Yoko and move in with May (they even put an offer in on a house together in Montauk, NY). And then, the day before he was due in New Orleans to meet up with Paul and Linda, Yoko called him and, the words I've read in nearly *every* account, "summoned him home" because supposedly she'd "found a cure for his cigarette smoking." Paul even called the Dakota when John didn't show up and Yoko answered and only told him John couldn't talk and wouldn't be coming to New Orleans. And May was left all alone and ended up not buying the house (I think).

 

Yoko leaving John would've been great, in hindsight, and maybe makes sense that he was planning to go back on the road in '81 and also to get back to the UK (where he hadn't been since 1971). It makes sense with what meanmrmustard said, too, with the songs on DF (can't believe in all these years I hadn't thought of that!).

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I´ve heard a few times that May and John were thinking about havig a baby together too! A little early in their relationship imo but there must have been some deep feelings between them to think about that. One of the things that I wonder most about is what would´ve become of JohnandYoko had he never gone back to her. And why was Paul suddenly so keen on them being back together? It´s no secret that Yoko was never Pauls favourite person, so why did he fly out to where J and May were to pass on the message from Yoko? That´s what I´ve read happened, seems a bit strange to me.

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Did Paul really do that? Or is that something that's been peddled by Yoko and her mouthpieces in the intervening years to make things seem more solid that they really were?

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It wouldnt surprise me if the Paul intervention was fabricated to some degree. No doubt when Paul and John were hanging out in '74 they would have discussed what was going on with each other even if over alcohol and John being stoned but i cant see Yoko and Paul talking to each other off the phone about such a thing. From what ive read the ice between them only began to thaw in the late 80's and even then it wasnt the friendliest. From what i can remember they could only just come to an agreement on what to offer for Northern Songs and even that fell thru as they tendered a rediculously low bid.

Personally most of what Yoko says when it comes to John i'll verge on the "yeah right" as it has to fit the brand and image she has created.

 

Did John truly love May Pang? He scarpered back to Yoko pretty rapidly apparently without much thought of May. Comes across more of convenience that anything real on Johns part.

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Paul has said that himself about telling John he has to work hard on getting Yoko to let him come back to her.

The whole lost weekend deal is very confusing. From what I have read Yoko was having a no touching phase, so John started doing things with other women in front of Yoko to upset her and that's when she sent him to live with May. While he was living with May, taking a break from Yoko, she still called him practically every hour or something crazy. John had Julian down there a couple times during that year and a half, and after he got back with Yoko didn't see his kid again for three years. I don't know, but I think that's all a little weird. Maybe Yoko was drugging with something.

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Paul and John during John's "lost weekend" (photo taken by May Pang):

 

John Lennon and Paul McCartney

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unknown said

Paul has said that himself about telling John he has to work hard on getting Yoko to let him come back to her.

The whole lost weekend deal is very confusing. From what I have read Yoko was having a no touching phase, so John started doing things with other women in front of Yoko to upset her and that's when she sent him to live with May. While he was living with May, taking a break from Yoko, she still called him practically every hour or something crazy. John had Julian down there a couple times during that year and a half, and after he got back with Yoko didn't see his kid again for three years. I don't know, but I think that's all a little weird. Maybe Yoko was drugging with something.

Agreed, weird. Coupled with what George had said about John seeming like he wanted to say something but couldn't and it makes you wonder what kind of weird hold and control she had over John and how she did it?

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Great interview...  Thanks for posting Linde.

 

as to the off-topic topic at hand.  I think when you do the incredible amount of mind altering drugs as John did one of the long lasting effects is the complete destruction of the ego making one easily manipulated.   Having said that I do NOT believe Yoko was manipulating John.  I think she was an incredibly odd woman and John a bit of a lost soul needing am anchor.  His anchor was Yoko.  

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^yes, but he was also an incredibly strong willed and stubborn guy who seemed to completely lose that bit of his personality *ONLY* around her, from day 1, and I still scratch my head all these years later as to why she and she alone produced that effect in him? 

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DrBeatle said
^yes, but he was also an incredibly strong willed and stubborn guy who seemed to completely lose that bit of his personality *ONLY* around her, from day 1, and I still scratch my head all these years later as to why she and she alone produced that effect in him? 

True enough and a valid point for me to consider.

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