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3 November 2012
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gotagoodreason said

Funny Paper said
If I may -- I will delineate the vocals in "Drive My Car":

(…) 

But you can do something in between
[here both voices mingle more closely and it's difficult to distinguish Paul]
 

- the first is sung by 3 voices (notes : C-F(lead)-G), Paul probably singing the highest note of this terrific harmony (the close second between F and G is what makes it so terrific) ;

Ah, interesting:  that's a C suspended chord.  Not surprisingly, the "Ultimate Guitar" website has the chords all different:  alternating from D7 to G7 (in the key of D apparently), then for the "But you can do something in between" line, they say it's just A.  Doesn't sound right; it does sound like a sus chord, as you say.

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4 November 2012
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paulsbass said

robert said
To add wood the fire, it's the same in If I Fell – although there's 3 part harmony John is doing the main melody. Same with This Boy – John's part is the actual melody.

Well, in these two songs (This boy and Yes it is) for me it's a three part harmony in the verses, and I have a hard time saying which one is the actual melody, but in the middle eights it's just John (with some Aaahs from George and Paul), so there's no mistake.

 

If I fell: Lead vocal John with a very strong second vocal by Paul (so it's actually a two part harmony). the fact that the second vocal is so strong is prove for me that Paul had a lot to do with the writing/composing.

John's very rough acoustic home demo of If I Fell uses the melody that Paul sings, which indicates to me that John wrote the majority of it. Paul's input was probably helping John compose the lower line, more in his range.

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4 November 2012
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Funny Paper said
Ah, interesting:  that's a C suspended chord.  Not surprisingly, the "Ultimate Guitar" website has the chords all different:  alternating from D7 to G7 (in the key of D apparently), then for the "But you can do something in between" line, they say it's just A.  Doesn't sound right; it does sound like a sus chord, as you say.

No, actually your source is right : it is an A chord obviously (both bass and guitar play it rather earnestly) but with the C, F and G notes sung on top of it, which makes it very bluesy because of C (bluesy third of the A chord) and F (bluesy third of D which is the key chord of the song).

They felt all of this by instinct, that's why we call them 'Fab'…

4 November 2012
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F#*! Utimate guitar! I'll never understand why so many people rely on that site…

You are right about the three voices, that what I wanted to add, too. But Paul and George? I will have to check that out.

Sooo:

Verses: It IS just Paul, imo, duetting with himself on the lower vocal. Listen to the third verse "I got no car", that deep stuff sounds very much like Paul.

On the "but I can show you a better time" George and John join in.

Chorus is sung by Paul, John and George who can be heard quite well.

The "maybe I love you" is DEFINITELY sung by Paul (maybe also George) and JOHN, who comes in from the left especially at that part, check it out.

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paulsbass said
Verses: It IS just Paul, imo, duetting with himself on the lower vocal. Listen to the third verse "I got no car", that deep stuff sounds very much like Paul.

On the "but I can show you a better time" George and John join in.

Chorus is sung by Paul, John and George who can be heard quite well.

The "maybe I love you" is DEFINITELY sung by Paul (maybe also George) and JOHN, who comes in from the left especially at that part, check it out.

Actually these 3 buddies blended SO well together that it's hard to tell…

Sooo… let's check it out and have a listen to the vocals only :

 

1) In the verses, Paul & undoubtedly John for the lower part

2) Last line of verses (note how well work C, F & G !) + chorus : Paul, George & John

3) BUT there's only one singer along with Paul on 'and maybe I'll love you' and from what I've always heard, it is George (especially after the words 'maybe' and 'I', sorry but his accent sounds different from John's !).

To be continued…

4 November 2012
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gotagoodreason said  
1) In the verses, Paul & undoubtedly John for the lower part

2) Last line of verses (note how well work C, F & G !) + chorus : Paul, George & John

3) BUT there's only one singer along with Paul on 'and maybe I'll love you' and from what I've always heard, it is George (especially after the words 'maybe' and 'I', sorry but his accent sounds different from John's !).

To be continued…

Ok, folks, not intending to turn this into another A day in the life thread…

 

You got it wrong imo, as I explained John is coming in from the left on that special part and is very clearly audible with his nasal and rough sound (chorus: all three in the middle, until on that part an overdub occurs on the left, note how the sound and the placement in the stereo picture changes). If you hear and believe something different, so be it.

Unfortunately the link with the vocals only is not visible in Germany (thanks to the GEMA), so I don't have that.

From what I hear in the normal mix there is every reason to doubt if that is really John in the verses. But I can't tell with 100 percent.

Nothing more to add from my part.

 

Edit:

Except for what has already been said in the comments (note the very first one about the Lennon overdub):

http://www.beatlesbible.com/so…..ve-my-car/

And it looks as if you have a soulmate in that "Day Tripper" person who doesn't listen to any reason at all and continues to believe in George.

 

Edit:

In Sebastian Mora's posting he quotes a very detailed text which indeed claims it's Paul AND John in the verses, so I will accept that.

http://www.beatlesebooks.com/d…..ive-my-car

It also mentions the Lennon overdub on "and maybe I love you".

Right below that there's YOU, debating with ME!

Some deja vu…

Ok, you said you don't care what anyone is saying anyways, so I won't bother no more.

4 November 2012
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paulsbass said

You got it wrong imo, as I explained John is coming in from the left on that special part and is very clearly audible with his nasal and rough sound. If you hear and believe something different, so be it.

After listening very closely and several times to that particular line in the vocal track, I have to say the doubt is creeping in… I tried to leave any pre-conceived idea that George sings and I noticed that at the end of the line, the mysterious singer lets his 'you' last just a little longer than Paul's each of the 4 times. These 'you-a' sound very similar to John's final 'you' of 'If I Fell'… but George could also do so in the very same record (listen to his final 'you' in his own 'Think for yourself' !)

So I guess we can't be really sure at times, can we ?

(Anyway, still wondering why 15 pages of debate about the 'aaah' in 'A day in the life' while anyone with 2 ears should agree it's Paul a-hard-days-night-george-10).

4 November 2012
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gotagoodreason said

Funny Paper said
Ah, interesting:  that's a C suspended chord.  Not surprisingly, the "Ultimate Guitar" website has the chords all different:  alternating from D7 to G7 (in the key of D apparently), then for the "But you can do something in between" line, they say it's just A.  Doesn't sound right; it does sound like a sus chord, as you say.

No, actually your source is right : it is an A chord obviously (both bass and guitar play it rather earnestly) but with the C, F and G notes sung on top of it, which makes it very bluesy because of C (bluesy third of the A chord) and F (bluesy third of D which is the key chord of the song).

They felt all of this by instinct, that's why we call them 'Fab'…

Wow, you mean the Beatles are playing A major, but singing the notes C-F-G on top of it?  Surely, their guitars/piano can't be playing a plain A major at that point?  It seems like it would generate too much dissonance. 

 

I can see singing the G note with an A major chord; I can even see the bluesy C; but the addition of the F blows my mind.

 

Couldn't it possibly be that at that point in the D major structure of the song, they decided to also play C-sus4 with their instruments and sing along accordingly?  That would still be cool, but it wouldn't be so much against the grain.

 

Edit:  Could it be that, at that point, their instruments play an A-7th-flatted4th-augmented5th chord? (this is a chord the band Chicago used a lot: from my ears, it doesn't replace the notes A with G, C# with Cnatural, or F# with Fnatural, it enables their addition with a cluster effect, though not every note has to be played)

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5 November 2012
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The point is, like you said, not every note has to be played (besides this is a great lesson : "less is more").

Drive My Car is built on the riff bass/guitar in unison all the way through, so the only places where proper chords are played is when the piano comes in. I've always found it intriguing when it stops on the A before the end of the chorus, letting the riff run its way : no need of more, we know where we are !

However, the reason why we can say the last line of the verses is in A major is because the riff tells us so (A – C# – E – F# – E – C#), interestingly enough after these dissonant sung notes.

Try and play D7 and G7 chords on top of the riff, it has something corny to it, except maybe in spare rhythmic accents like in the 'Love' medley where George's guitar from The Word comes on top of the Drive My Car riff.

6 November 2012
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I'm sorry, but the chords at the "e-chords" site make more sense to me, and more importantly, WORK when I play along:

 

D7 I asked a girl what she

G wanted to be

etc repeat

 

Dmsus7/A but you can do something in between

 

Bm7 Baby, you can drive my

G car

Bm7 Yes, I'm going to be a

G star

Bm7 Baby, you can drive my

E7 car, and

Am maybe I

D love you

G A

 

A -- beep beep beep beep yeah D

G A

 

solo:  D7 G D7 G D7 G Dm7/A

 

etc.

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