The Beatles Bible - Topic: The Beatles...The Rolling Stones http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/ Simple:Press Version 5.2.6 Von Bontee on The Beatles...The Rolling Stones http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-7/#p73046 Recording and musicology http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-7/#p73046 Yeah, no matter how compelling Jagger may be onstage (so what?), I don't think he's ever had a great singing voice either. At his best, he makes up for it in other ways (phrasing, "attitude", whatever.)

]]> Thu, 02 May 2013 20:25:27 +0100 fabfouremily on The Beatles...The Rolling Stones http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-7/#p73020 Recording and musicology http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-7/#p73020 ^^ I don't like the London and most of the Home Counties' accent so there's a few songs (when his accent is ore noticeable) that I don't like for that reason. That's another reason why I love The Beatles, I love the (old) Liverpudlian accent.

]]> Thu, 02 May 2013 16:11:09 +0100 Linde on The Beatles...The Rolling Stones http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-7/#p73010 Recording and musicology http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-7/#p73010 I would just call them ''poprock'', since they were good at both, but can't strictly be put under either of them.

As for the Stones..some of their songs are decent, but I dislike most of their songs. I do have some of them in my iTunes though.

And I'm sure Jagger is a great showman, but he's absolutely not the greatest singer and I don't really like his voice.

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Gerell said
I don't know if my aunt came to like I Will as it's one of the last tracks of the first LP. She used to listen to Tom Jones during the day.

I haven't "actually" listened to the Rolling Stones, but I heard Mick Jagger is quite a showman and that's about it, no special mention about his voice or anything. The Rolling Stones are reputed to be the longest touring band, and the band with the most concert ticket sales.

The only reputable song that I have heard of from them was "As Tears Go By" ...]]> Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:31:53 +0100 Gerell on The Beatles...The Rolling Stones http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-7/#p71445 Recording and musicology http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-7/#p71445 I don't know if my aunt came to like I Will as it's one of the last tracks of the first LP. She used to listen to Tom Jones during the day.

I haven't "actually" listened to the Rolling Stones, but I heard Mick Jagger is quite a showman and that's about it, no special mention about his voice or anything. The Rolling Stones are reputed to be the longest touring band, and the band with the most concert ticket sales.

The only reputable song that I have heard of from them was "As Tears Go By" (not sure if I am ...]]> Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:57:21 +0100 Von Bontee on The Beatles...The Rolling Stones http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71358 Recording and musicology http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71358 Yeah, and I have my reservations about classifying 'em as either one, since they were spectacular at both. And then there's the question of whether pop can encompass rock, or vice verse, blah blah blah...

]]> Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:13:42 +0100 parlance on The Beatles...The Rolling Stones http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71354 Recording and musicology http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71354 ^^ I won't argue with that as I haven't read too many music reviews from the period. I'm just confused how someone nowadays like Emily's parents would still want to categorize them strictly as a pop band by any standards.

parlance

]]> Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:52:39 +0100 Von Bontee on The Beatles...The Rolling Stones http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71337 Recording and musicology http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71337 But that's not really the case. At least in the UK, if you read all the old '60s press clippings and whatnot, you'll invariably see 'em described as a "pop combo". The terms "rock and roll" (much less just "rock") only show up very infrequently. But, again, that just goes to show how the terms have changed.

I get the general impression that '60s music writers seemed to reserve the term "rock & roll" for stuff that dated back to the '50s - giving the impression that "pop" overtook "rock" sometime around the turn of the decade.

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fabfouremily said

Von Bontee said
Because there many great pop songs on both of those albums?

As you already said, the main problem is that the meaning of the term has changed.

Yes, there are ''pop'' songs on those albums but there are mainly songs on there that I think are better put under the category of 'rock'.

Yes, that's my thinking too. Even by 1960's definitions, I don't think overall they would have been considered pop albums.

parlance

 

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fabfouremily said
The thing about calling The Beatles a pop band gets on my nerves a lot. Not because I try to deny that they did put out pop songs, but because that term has changed over the years IMO. A pop group now is, for example, One Direction. No talent, songs written for them and, apparently, no idea at all on making half-decent music. If that floats your boat then fine, music is there to be enjoyed, but you can't call both The Beatles and One Direction pop bands because there is no comparison between the two.

Mon, 22 Apr 2013 18:05:16 +0100 fabfouremily on The Beatles...The Rolling Stones http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71255 Recording and musicology http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71255

Von Bontee said
Because there many great pop songs on both of those albums?

As you already said, the main problem is that the meaning of the term has changed.

Yes, there are ''pop'' songs on those albums but there are mainly songs on there that I think are better put under the category of 'rock'.

]]> Mon, 22 Apr 2013 18:04:02 +0100 Von Bontee on The Beatles...The Rolling Stones http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71254 Recording and musicology http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71254 Because there many great pop songs on both of those albums?

As you already said, the main problem is that the meaning of the term has changed.

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parlance said

fabfouremily said
Do I think the Stones (whom I quite like, btw) are a bit more Rock and a little less pop than The Beatles? Yes, slightly. But, in my eyes, the latter were a rock band. This is something that I haven't quite convinced my parents of yet, unfortunately.

I just don't know how you listen to the White Album or Abbey Road and come away calling them a pop band.

parlance

Exactly.

 

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fabfouremily said

Do I think the Stones (whom I quite like, btw) are a bit more Rock and a little less pop than The Beatles? Yes, slightly. But, in my eyes, the latter were a rock band. This is something that I haven't quite convinced my parents of yet, unfortunately.

I just don't know how you listen to the White Album or Abbey Road and come away calling them a pop band.

parlance

]]> Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:45:34 +0100 fabfouremily on The Beatles...The Rolling Stones http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71248 Recording and musicology http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/recording-and-musicology/the-beatles-the-rolling-stones/page-6/#p71248 The thing about calling The Beatles a pop band gets on my nerves a lot. Not because I try to deny that they did put out pop songs, but because that term has changed over the years IMO. A pop group now is, for example, One Direction. No talent, songs written for them and, apparently, no idea at all on making half-decent music. If that floats your boat then fine, music is there to be enjoyed, but you can't call both The Beatles and One Direction pop bands because there is no comparison between the two.

Do I think the Stones ...]]> Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:42:30 +0100