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Promoting Buddy Holly
5 February 2014
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Be Sharps said
Doesn't Paul own the publishing rights to Buddy's catalog now?

Yes, he does.

And welcome to the forum. I saw your screen name and was hoping you'd post, love it!

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5 February 2014
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parlance said

Be Sharps said Doesn't Paul own the publishing rights to Buddy's catalog now?

Yes, he does.
And welcome to the forum. I saw your screen name and was hoping you'd post, love it!
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6 February 2014
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12 February 2014
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The fact that that there would be a thread like this about Buddy 55 years after his death shows that he has not been forgotten.

Unbelievable to think that he was only 22 when he died. 

Imagine what he could have gone on to do!

One of the things I liked about Buddy was his versatility.  He seemed to be able to turn his hand to anything.  Singing, songwriting, guitar playing, production... you name it.  Also, his songs were so varied.  I love Chuck Berry's music but most of Chuck's songs sounded very similar.  I love Little Richard but most of his songs sounded very similar.  With Buddy Holly however "That'll Be The Day" sounds nothing like "True Love Ways" which sounds nothing like "Well Alright" etc.

Buddy's Lead guitar playing was terrific - no coincidence that the Beatles copied Buddy's That'll Be The Day intro lick and solo note for note - why alter perfection?

Some folks have said the Beatles stuck to closely to Buddy's arrangement of "Words Of Love" but, again, perhaps they felt the original arrangement was so good that it could not be improved upon.

Buddy had a really unique way of singing with a kind of stutter that no one had ever done before.

Also, I believe Buddy was one of the pioneers in terms of being one of the first people to start experimenting in the studio.  Listen to the drums on Peggy Sue.

In case anyone hasn't seen it:

Lennon was contacted by Los Angeles music journalist Jim Dawson in 1974. Dawson asked a few questions pertaining to Buddy Holly:

How did you personally react to the Crickets’tour of England in 1958?

JL: “I only saw them on the London Palladium (on TV). He was great! It was the first time I saw a Fender guitar being played! While the singer sang! Also the ‘secret’ of the drumming on ‘Peggy Sue’ was revealed live.”

What effect do you think it had on British musicians?

JL: “I only know its effect on me, but I reckon the records had the biggest effect on all of us. Every group tried to be The Crickets! The name Beatles was directly inspired by Crickets (double entendre/insects etc.). I think the greatest effect was on the songwriting.”

What do you think of Buddy Holly, musically and historically?

JL: “He was a great and innovative musician. He was a MASTER! His influence continues. I often wonder what his music would be like now, had he lived.”

Do you think his music had any effect on the style of The Beatles? On your own feelings toward music?

JL: “See above. We did practically everything he put out, i.e. at The Cavern, etc. What he did with three chords made a songwriter out of me!”

Other remarks?

JL: “He was the first guy I ever saw with a capo. And he made it OK to wear glasses. I WAS Buddy Holly!”

Source: http://www.buddyhollyarchives......-memories/

13 February 2014
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4or5Magicians said
I played some Buddy Holly tunes for some friends recently, and asked if anyone was a fan. I was thrilled when one of them said "who isn't?" It is a shame that his music isn't as prominent as it once was, but that's to be expected with time I suppose. That said, I'll throw some heart out for my personal favorite song he did, Down the Line...

 

When i hear the original version of "One After 909" from the "Anthology 1" album, it almost sounds very similar to "Down The Line". i swear the "...909" riff had to have been derived from that. the beatles sometimes talked how one song can give them the idea for another, well this, in my opinion, is one of those cases.

 

6 May 2014
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I really only started getting into Buddy Holly because he is such an important influence of the Beatles, but I must admit that I'm totally hooked. I love his voice and his songwriting. I think if he had lived he would have been as big as Elvis 

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8@Mimi, I moved your post here to continue on the conversation. You are the second person in about 24 hours who has bought up Buddy Holly in conversation to me. Mom and I just listened to his top hits, and I am playing her the covers the Beatles did of his songs. Don't for get Ringo's "Think It Over" on the Ringo 2012 album.

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EDIT: Ringo even mentions Buddy at the end of the video. heartapple01

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Ahhh Girl said
a-hard-days-night-ringo-8@Mimi, I moved your post here to continue on the conversation. You are the second person in about 24 hours who has bought up Buddy Holly in conversation to me. Mom and I just listened to his top hits, and I am playing her the covers the Beatles did of his songs. Don't for get Ringo's "Think It Over" on the Ringo 2012 album.

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Thanks! 

And i'd never heard Ringo's cover actually thanks for sharing 

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Thread revival has inspired me to throw on From The Original Master Tapes, great stuff.

Interesting productions too - somebody with more knowledge than myself could make the case that as Holly inspired the Beatles, Norman Petty inspired George Martin. (Or was an important precursor to him or whatever.)

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7 May 2014
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Having found Purple Chick's The Complete Buddy Holly a few days ago, I've been listening to a lot of Buddy.

Easily the most important musician of his generation, I have no doubt his reputation would be bigger were it not for his early death.

One of the problems has been the guardianship of his catalogue by his widow, Maria Elena. She has blocked the majority of re-releases of his back catalogue. In this age of the all-encompassing box set, it seems strange that Buddy doesn't have one (but was also, ironically, the first with one).

In the late '70s there was a great vinyl box set that pointed the way to how artists would be appreciated in the days ahead. Maria Elena has, unfortunately, blocked the release of a similar set on CD.

Reading back through this thread, can I just comment on @meanmistermustard's comments about The Picks overdubs. You're wrong! The Picks overdubs, in the main, were done during Buddy's lifetime (12 songs in October 1957), at his request and to his blueprint, and all released while he was alive. The overdubs that are criticised are The Fireballs posthumous instrumental overdubs, not the vocal overdubs added by The Picks at Buddy's request.

I will always argue that to understand The Beatles fully, you have to understand their roots, and none was more important to them than Charles Hardin Holley.

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7 May 2014
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When I listen to Buddy Holly, I sometimes feel so sad and frustrated, because he died so young and it's almost painful to think of all the years he could have developed into an amazing musician...

Edit:  "...developed into even more of an amazing musician..."

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Ron Nasty said
 

Reading back through this thread, can I just comment on @meanmistermustard's comments about The Picks overdubs. You're wrong! The Picks overdubs, in the main, were done during Buddy's lifetime (12 songs in October 1957), at his request and to his blueprint, and all released while he was alive. The overdubs that are criticised are The Fireballs posthumous instrumental overdubs, not the vocal overdubs added by The Picks at Buddy's request.

 

 

@Ron Nasty 

 

Not so. The Picks added further background vocals to additional songs in February and June 1984, so well after Buddy had died, see these examples.

 

Details can be seen here (had to use screen capture as its a google book so cant copy and paste).

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Edit: 

In his book 'The A to Z of Buddy Holly' in the entry for the Picks (page 154) Alan Mann writes

"The Picks were not used from early 1958 when Petty decided to drop The Picks at short notice and turned to another trio, The Roses."

He goes on to write that in 1984

"the trio reformed and completed a major project to dub backing vocals onto a host whole host of Holly recordings in an attempt to give them a more distinctive Chirping Crickets sound. Twenty-one tracks in all were given the treatment, including classics such as 'True Love Ways' and early efforts such as "You are my one Desire" (sic). Interestingly, they chose once more to create mono master recordings, as was done with the Chirping Crickets material, rather than use a second (stereo) chanel for their overdubs.

The posthumous overdubs were done with great love and affection but they have met with a very mixed response from longtime fans. Having been familiar with recordings over a period of 30 years it is exceptionally difficult for fans to judge such amended recordings dispassionately. Interestingly, whilst the overdubs were submitted to MCA in the 1980's, they were eventually released on the Picks own record label, Pick Records"  

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The beauty of Buddy Holly's songwriting, is that he proves simple works. I refer you to Not Fade Away, Words Of Love, Crying Waiting Hoping

to name a few. 

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