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8.35pm
31 March 2008
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Are you serious? Bars with 17 demisemiquavers, and 49 hemidemisemiquavers? Where?
I know they were musical geniuses, but that would surely take them into the realm of titans and superhumans 
10.03pm
30 May 2010
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Joe said:
Brother_Mustard (hi, welcome, glad you decided to post rather than lurk!) – Amazon.co.uk lists the author as Tim Cain. No Olafs or Svens mentioned!
Haha, thanks Joe 
Aww, that's a little dissapointing. When I pictured Olaf and Sven, they had funny accents. Tim Cain isn't nearly as fun…
11.56pm
27 February 2010
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Joe said:
Are you serious? Bars with 17 demisemiquavers, and 49 hemidemisemiquavers? Where?
I know they were musical geniuses, but that would surely take them into the realm of titans and superhumans
There's a point where you have just call it "ad lib.", for mankind's sake…
3.33pm
15 May 2010
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mjb said:
PeterWeatherby said:
Incidentally, do any of you other musician-types own that gigantic book of Beatles' music called The Complete Scores?
I bought it when it first came out – cost an absolute fortune
I think it was about £45…………around 16 years ago???? Anyway, it is good if you want to tinker along……..but I haven't got round to guitar picking to Revolution 9…..YET
I got it last christmas, and the transcription is by… wait! Tetsuya Fujita, Yuji Hagino, Hajime Kubo and Goro Sato. lol
And hey! There are also time signature changes in Revolution 9! From 3/4 to 4/4 and back… but honestly, does anyone even hear a beat? I don't…
Isn't it musique concrète? Or what exactly is the difference?
6.19pm
4 April 2010
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Joe said:
Are you serious? Bars with 17 demisemiquavers, and 49 hemidemisemiquavers? Where?
I know they were musical geniuses, but that would surely take them into the realm of titans and superhumans
About 6 and a half minutes in.
2.18am
7 August 2010
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I cant read music.
9.53pm
29 September 2010
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PeterWeatherby said:
I finally looked it up because it was driving me crazy: the bridge from "Here Comes the Sun" alternates between 3/8, 5/8, and 4/4. It's messy. But it sounds GREAT!
Incidentally, do any of you other musician-types own that gigantic book of Beatles' music called The Complete Scores? It has musical notation for all of the instrumentation, guitars, bass, drums, horns, strings, whatever. It's a decent book, even if it does have a few misprints (in both the lyrics and the music); it's hilarious to me to read the "score" for Revolution 9. Oh to have been a fly on the wall for that transcribing session … ("Seriously, Olaf, do we have to include this? I mean, it's not even really a song, is it?" "Hush, Sven, I'm trying to decide if this ambulance siren should be notated in the key of E-flat, or in F-sharp with accidentals.")
*laughs!* I thought the same thing: who drew the short straw to transcribe that beast! You know, one of those "Who's out of the room? Let's give it to them…."
9.57pm
29 September 2010
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Also--on the Anthology, you can hear John gamely try to play an early version of I'll Be Back in 3/4 time…..*laughs!*
10.00pm
29 September 2010
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Dear Prudence said:
I cant read music.
From most accounts I read, the Beatles couldn't read music very well--if at all--either, so you're in good company. *smiles!* Plus, The Beatles Scores have the guitar parts in tablature (no notes, but instead indications of what string/fret to press down on) so you can at least noodle around with them on guitar….
10.04pm
7 August 2010
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EyesofBlue said:
Dear Prudence said:
I cant read music.
From most accounts I read, the Beatles couldn't read music very well--if at all--either, so you're in good company. *smiles!* Plus, The Beatles Scores have the guitar parts in tablature (no notes, but instead indications of what string/fret to press down on) so you can at least noodle around with them on guitar….
I think like the way they write music.
11.42pm
4 February 2011
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McLerristarr said:
All You Need Is Love has time signatures of 7/4, 4/4 and 6/4. Apparently it was the first (and one of only two) songs with a 7/4 time signature to reach the top 20 in the USA.
I thought it was 7/8 I have never heard of 7/4
12.19pm
31 March 2008
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In simple terms, the 4 refers to crotchets, the 8 to quavers. So, 7/4 would be seven crotchets in a bar, 7/8 would be seven quavers in a bar. In the case of AYNIL, 7/4 is correct.
7.40pm
10 May 2011
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Joe said:
I was flying back to the UK from Berlin last night and began singing Two Of Us to myself ("We're on our way home, we're going home"), and started thinking about the unusual time signature changes in the song. Most of it's in 4/4, but with the odd bar of 2/4 and 3/4 dropped in. For example:
- when they sing "someone's", "arriving", "letters", "latches" etc, it's a bar of 2/4.
- The "We're on our way home" section is mostly in 3/4, but has a 2/4 bar for "we're going home".
I've had the same problem… I thought it was 4/4 all along…
2.10am
10 August 2011
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In the "Living in the Material World" documentary, Ringo talks about the "7 beats" or something to that effect in "Here comes the Sun."
I wish I had a fuller understanding of these things (thanks Joe for the explanations) to fully appreciate.
Do you think the Beatles were conscious of the time changes?
2.28am
4 November 2010
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Well, 'Norwegian Wood' taught me what waltz time was (3/4). That's a pretty famous example, though.
I'm like Dear Prudence, I can't read music!
8.58pm
31 March 2008
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I think George was certainly conscious of the changes, as he'd studied Indian music with Ravi Shankar. That's why Here Comes The Sun is so interesting in its rhythms. I'd imagine McCartney was also aware of the rules and how to break them, but Lennon less so.
5.35am
12 March 2010
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What, a whole thread about "odd time signatures" and nobody mentiones "Good morning, good morning" or their Mother Of Odd Time Signatures – Happiness is a warm gun!
I don't have the time right now to give you the excact numbers, nor do I have any urgent need to find out. I'm thinking along John's line "It's just music" and I don't have to know if they changed between 2/4 and 5/4 or whatever.
But I see how some people find that interesting, so if anyone feels up to it or/and owns the score, bring up the HIAWG time changes!
7.07pm
26 March 2012
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I remember reading somewhere that George made so much of the "sun, sun, sun here it comes" bit in the middle of Here Comes the Sun because he was aware of the complexity of the timing and how good it sounded, might have been a speculation by Alan Pollack in his musicology notes on the Beatles' songs.
paulsbass said
But I see how some people find that interesting, so if anyone feels up to it or/and owns the score, bring up the HIAWG time changes!
Happiness is a Warm Gun starts in a simple 4/4, then cuts itself off half a bar early to drop into the EVIL RIFF and "I need a fix" bit which is in 3/4. Then the "mother superior jumped the gun" would appear to be in 3/4, but every other instance of the repeated line the last bar comprises 4 beats. If you count along to it, it goes 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3 on the first, third and fifth times but then alternates to 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3-4 on the second, fourth and sixth times. Then the doo-wop bit is in 4/4 but shifts to 3/4 on the "when I hold you" to marvelous musical effect in my opinion. Ringo, however, seems to stay in 4/4 which adds a very strange staggered feel to the rhythm. It moves back to 4/4 again for the last bit of the song but ends somehow on the first beat of the bar? Always been confused by this bit to be honest… but that's what I hear.
7.47pm
31 March 2008
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I mentioned Happiness and Good Morning in the very first post.
Someone posted this in the comments section of the HIAWG song page. I've not checked it but presume it's about right.
She's not a girl who misses much… (0:00-0:14):
o 4 bars of 4/4.
* She's well acquainted with the velvet touch… (0:14-0:45):
o 1 bar of 4/4
o 1 bar of 2/4
o 5 bars of 4/4
o 1 bar of 5/4
o 1 bar of 4/4.
* I need a fix cos I'm goin' down… (0:45-1:13):
o twice through a 3 bars/4 bars/4 bars series of 3/8 (i.e. 22 bars of 3/8).
* Mother superior, jump the gun… (1:13-1:35):
o thrice through a bar each of 9/8 and 10/8.
* Happiness is a warm gun… (1:35-2:43):
o 4 bars of 4/4
o 3 bars of 12/8 (with the drums doing 4 bars of 4/4 and 1 bar of 2/4!)
o 5 bars of 4/4 (the final bar entering free time)
o 1 bar of 2/4 (in free time)
o 5 bars of 4/4
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