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18 April 2010
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When a song was mixed with fade outs and etcs, was the original recording directly mixed or was it duplicated before mixing? If the original recording was kept, it would be interesting to hear how some of the faded songs originally ended. I know some of the original recordings were bounced down to make way for overdubs (thanks to EVERY SINGLE ALBUM BOOKLET!a-hard-days-night-george-5) so those un-overdubbed recordings can be heard (if released or bootlegged), but the final versions would be even better.

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18 April 2010
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They would have mixed the original four-track tapes onto a two-track master (the two tracks being the left and right stereo channels; a mono mix had the same signal on both channels, I think). So, the mix would have been a second-generation copy of the original 2/4/8-track recording.

When a reduction mix was made to free up more tracks, the final master could be a third or fourth generation copy of the original recordings. Bouncing down too many times would have led to a loss of sound quality, so they were generally done sparingly.

I think that's right, anyway. Someone with more knowledge of tape recording would be able to elucidate.

As for the fade-outs, you can hear how the songs were prior to them if you can get hold of studio session bootlegs (some are on YouTube). Alternatively, the BBC radio recordings often had full endings instead of the EMI fade-outs. Sometimes in the studio, however, The Beatles jammed for their own amusement once they knew they were past the point that the song would be faded out at the mixing stage, knowing it would never be heard.

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19 April 2010
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Joe said:

The Beatles jammed for their own amusement once they knew they were past the point that the song would be faded out at the mixing stage, knowing it would never be heard.


 A classic example of this being on She's A Woman. The end jam got quite boisterous!
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20 April 2010
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You're back! I was wondering the other day where you'd been.

Another example is the repeated four-note jam that was at the end of Something (though that wasn't really a fade-out). I've got it on an old vinyl bootleg, though I'm sure it's around elsewhere. It lasts several minutes, and is (if I remember correctly – I've not heard if for years) a 6/8 jam around the four opening notes of John Lennon's Remember, though much slower than that song.

EDIT here it is. Anyone know where the lovely Abbey Road footage comes from?

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20 April 2010
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Joe said:

EDIT here it is. Anyone know where the lovely Abbey Road footage comes from?


 

The footage probably comes from Anthology. There's a lot of outtake mash-ups with random footage of Abbey Road Studios or a bedroom full of Beatles memorabilia.

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Ah yes, course there is. It's been a while since I've watched Anthology. Time to pay a return visit…

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5 June 2010
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This is what makes live recordings enjoyable as they HAVE to have an ending. The likes of Ticket To Ride, She's A Woman, I Feel Fine, Paperback Writer, Day Tripper, I'm Down, Things We Said Today all needed to be ended instead of faded………………

 

Crickey how many Beatle songs faded in the studio recordings!! Soooooo many a-hard-days-night-john-3

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6 June 2010
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mjb said:

This is what makes live recordings enjoyable as they HAVE to have an ending. The likes of Ticket To Ride, She's A Woman, I Feel Fine, Paperback Writer, Day Tripper, I'm Down, Things We Said Today all needed to be ended instead of faded………………

 

Crickey how many Beatle songs faded in the studio recordings!! Soooooo many a-hard-days-night-john-3


 

MJB….Have a listen to Paperback Writer, sans fade, here. It's the same take 2 as the master is, but here it is "raw" and preceded by a very short take 1.a-hard-days-night-paul-2

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McLerristarr said:

Joe said:

EDIT here it is. Anyone know where the lovely Abbey Road footage comes from?


 
The footage probably comes from Anthology. There's a lot of outtake mash-ups with random footage of Abbey Road Studios or a bedroom full of Beatles memorabilia.

 

  Joe said:

Ah yes, course there is. It's been a while since I've watched Anthology. Time to pay a return visit…


 In Anthology, George Martin mentions that they often held impromptu jam sessions that weren't very good. Case in point…a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

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